The problem is that you aren't following me on any level. I don't pity you because of your beliefs. For all you know, I might have the same beliefs. I feel sorry for you because you seem to have hobbled yourself in both critical thinking and expression. I think you are capable of more. Because I think you are capable of more I'm bored and frustrated to get same old "canned" answers. I have to assume that you are either purposely refusing to give anything but a canned answer, or you are incapable. Those sorts of things evoke pity from me where little else does.Quote:
I do accept it as the infallible word of God so I guess there's not much more to say so carry on with whatever you want to say about me. No offense, but I really don't care if you pity me.
A good question is why you assume that you aren't simply "choosing" to believe something, i.e. creating your own reality. In your OWN words, what makes your subjective reality truth?Quote:
There's only one truth for everyone whether they believe it or not, not an undending number of "truths" according to what you choose to believe. There is no "create your own reality."
Of course you are arrogant; so am I. Of all the failings of humankind, pride has ever been our constant companion. Even when we try to live a good life and do what is right, we end up taking pride in it. I do want to talk to you a bit about truth and perception though. Grass does change color from person to person, although it rarely has anything to do with choice. A person who is colorblind doesn't see green. Most people do not see the same shades and hues even when they do see green. Our equipment, like our fingerprints, is slightly different. I'm not trying to be glib here. There are different truths for different people because how they interact with reality is different. Some people are deathly allergic to peanuts as the sad story of a girl dying from giving her boyfriend a kiss an attest (he had eaten some recently). Some people are deaf. Some people are blind. As touched on before, some cannot read traffic lights or signs the same as you and I because of the color. What is true for you and I is NOT true for them. I really think you should think about this for a bit because it bears on your "black and white" view of reality.Quote:
I know you'll say I'm arrogant but that's just plain common sense. The grass doesn't change from green to purple just because you choose to believe it's purple.
Continuing with our discussion of perception versus reality, I think we all know what you actually meant when you said "have a nice day" above. :) I would like to point out, playing Devil's Advocate if the terms isn't too tongue and cheek for this particular debate, that the world was once believed FLAT and defended tooth and nail by the religious because to believe the world was round and circled the sun was not compatible with the Bible. :) If I wanted to go even more out on a limb I might suggest that God could make the world flat on a whim, allow people to fly, walk on water, turn water into wine, and bring the dead back to life simply because people have faith (i.e. believe in it). Surely you don't disagree that God can do those things? To push my commentary as far as it can go, if God is the Alpha and the Omega, then nothing is impossible or set in stone beyond God's will. The Bible shows God changing his mind from time to time. The Bible is infallible so we know that God does that. God's truth is the same as God's will, so we know that truth is also the whim of God and thus changeable. Would you like me to cite chapter and verse of the many places where God changes his mind? I doubt it since you do seem to know your Bible and already know what I'm talking about.Quote:
The earth doesn't become flat because there are people who believe that it is. The law of gravity doesn't suspend itself because someone thinks they can jump off a cliff, flap their arms and fly. There are absolute truths and I believe the Bible to be the absolute truth. If you don't, that's your perogative. Have a nice day.
Religion is always a thorny subject. I appreciate that Ms. Mod has allowed us to even have this debate. I'm sure it is nothing but a bother and stress to her to have to read our posts (many of which probably straddle the line). I think you are a bright person. I have faith that if you really wanted to, you would be able to bear witness in a way which impresses those who listen to it. I believe you can talk about what you believe without having to discuss what is wrong with what other people believe. I find it sad that you don't make the attempt because clearly you have things you want to say. You appeared out of thin air not so long ago just to complain about the use of foul language in a fictional work. You and I have something in common. We are blowhards. :) I'm just suggesting, as a long time self-righteous, arrogant blowhard, that you can do a better job.
I have a friend who is a Jehovah's Witness, and have many homosexual friends--male and female--and despite being a Catholic I still respect their beliefs/relationships. I wonder if this means I won't ever make it through those pearly white gates? :devil:
Do you also believe that the Book of Mormon is really Cliff Notes for the Bible?Quote:
the Jehovah's Witnesses have their own Bible where they've altered it to conform to their beliefs.
Ooooh. I don't like where you're headed with that. Mind that you don't start casting stones at a part of the population of which you appear to know virtually nothing. I've very dear friends who are gay and they wouldn't consider believing that straights were out to create *their* own Bible, cutting out the parts that condemn what they do: judge, lie, murder, steal, rape, pillage, fornicate, just about all the things the Ten Commandments would have us not do.Quote:
I've even heard that the gays were going to create their own Bible, supposedly to take out the parts that condemn what they do.
Good to know you won't operate on hearsay. Don't always believe what you're told second-hand. Until you actually see a copy of a Gay Bible or a Jehovah's Witness Bible, I'd think twice about spreading rumours.Quote:
Whether they've actually done that, I don't know, it's just something I heard.
Then again, I always thought the latest copy of Vogue *was* the Gay Bible, so sue me. If there were ever a Gay Bible that were published, I'm sure it would be f-a-b-u-l-o-u-s and that the pictures would show Jesus rocking the latest toga look. Three Around-the-World-Backsnaps for that! ***
Will it take a burning bush and a disembodied voice for someone to find out if God's word hasn't been altered? How will they find out? Ally said she hasn't been to church in over four years and she hasn't been struck down by God in the meantime. I wouldn't know a complete or abridged Bible if it hit me in the face, because I haven't always been a student of it, but here I am to tell about it. -I'm not being disrespectful; I'm just asking.Quote:
They can print up new "Bibles" and add or take away or change what they want but that doesn't actually alter God's true word one iota which they will find out.
To me, no man has gotten close to what is really out there. Even if the Judeo-Christian version of God exists, the idea that we could begin to understand and then boil down to a Cliff Note version such a being is just fallacy in and of itself.
In the end, it's what is right for you and what I or anyone else thinks really doesn't matter. :y:
"I'm the one that's gonna have to die when it's time for me to die. So let me live my life the way I want to." ~ Jimi Hendrix (from "If 6 was 9")
I think she may be technically right on this. The Jehovah's Witnesses do have their own bible which is called the New World Translation. There is still a considerable amount of scholarly debate as to whether or not it's accurate or if it does skew the Bible more in favor with their doctrines.Quote:
Good to know you won't operate on hearsay. Don't always believe what you're told second-hand. Until you actually see a copy of a Gay Bible or a Jehovah's Witness Bible, I'd think twice about spreading rumours.
The "Gay Bible," is also a thing. It's called the Queen James Version. Essentially, it's just the KJV but with four or five verses that condemn homosexuality changed to what they claim is a more accurate and accepting translation. But, since I can't read Koine Greek and compare the translations, I have no idea how close...or far these above mentioned translations are.
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