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    Default Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderator View Post
    There are bad people everywhere but amazingly other countries have managed to find ways to live without thinking they have to have a gun nearby in order to protect themselves.
    The only other countries that can compare to the United States in terms of population, land area, and diversity are Russia and China. I certainly don't want their forms of government.

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    There are bad people everywhere but amazingly other countries have managed to find ways to live without thinking they have to have a gun nearby in order to protect themselves.
    Fact is, most people never have to use them, which is good. But I'm of the camp that I'd rather have and not need, rather than need and not have. Believe me, I hope and pray that I never have to shoot anyone ever. I never have and never want to. Nothing wrong with being prepared.

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    So for you MsMod it's semi auto gun bans or nothing?

    Barring some late game miracle, you have already lost.

    Now, I think it's time to start looking at other proposals that have a chance of being implemented, otherwise nothing will be done.
    Yes, we should be very proud of our legislators for that. Yes, HUGE sarcasm. IMO they should have NEVER been available to the public in the first place. I'd be very much in favor of making laws that make them EXTREMELY difficult or expensive to own in the future including surcharges or higher taxes on the gun and ammunition manufacturers.


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    Keep in mind, I was raised on guns, and was an M.P. in the Marine Corps. After that I worked security and was a Dentention Officer. My point is, I'm well trained. Another point is is that I've seen bad people, talked with them on a daily basis. This world is not safe. Also, I am a in favor of training. Training with fire arms is very improtant. Keeps people safe.

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    Default Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderator View Post
    Yes, we should be very proud of our legislators for that. Yes, HUGE sarcasm. IMO they should have NEVER been available to the public in the first place. I'd be very much in favor of making laws that make them EXTREMELY difficult or expensive to own in the future including surcharges or higher taxes on the gun and ammunition manufacturers.
    To buy one new...a good one...it is already expensive. I've not bought a new gun in YEARS. Can't afford them. And ammo is way high, thanks in part to oil prices.

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    Default Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

    Neither side will give enough to make the other side happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepia and Dust View Post
    A law that says mentally ill people can't have guns does nothing, in and of itself, unless it's well-implemented. If it actually keeps firearms out of the hands of the mentally unstable, then yeah, everybody will be safer.
    This sort of falls under "well regulated", wouldn't you agree?

    And to that, while withholding comment on its validity, so would a ban of certain types of guns currently legal. A debate about whether or not that would work, etc. is one thing. The dumbstruck disbelief of some that this/these ban(s) fall(s) far outside the definition of the 2nd Amendment and is evidence of some socialistic government cabal, just makes no sense to me as an argument or as a logical conclusion. It clearly falls under the term "well regulated".

    Besides, I don't think bears are happy about us thinking we can just take their arms. They need their claws to defend their young from possum attacks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuggs View Post
    This gun argument is pointless. Neither side will give enough to make the other side happy.
    Which is really good for the gun side because they are already pretty much getting their way with things. A few hoops, etc., to jump through of course. But the things that people who really oppose guns want are not even a blip on the radar. This, perhaps more than any other point, is why the "left" has a much more valid argument that they are not getting any concessions.

    Not arguing the validity of either side, just pointing out that the gun lobby has and does pretty much get what they want and those who disagree effectively have to take it and be unhappy.

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    Default Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuggs View Post
    Fact is, most people never have to use them, which is good. But I'm of the camp that I'd rather have and not need, rather than need and not have.
    This is the strongest and most logical argument for guns. I agree with this logic as it is actually logic. Where this tends to break down is that many believe they should be able to have rocket launchers and 50cal hummer mounted building busters. I think maybe if we could say hey, guns are part of life and are needed sometimes, but these big ones really aren't so let's make it really hard to get them or ban them. And no, I don't think the current restriction are enough as the last 2 mass shootings have been people who waited and got their stuff legally. I suppose you could argue any time period wouldn't work for someone planning something like this long term, but who knows really as we don't currently do this.

    Believe me, I hope and pray that I never have to shoot anyone ever. I never have and never want to. Nothing wrong with being prepared.
    I do believe a majority of gun owners feel this same way. I also know there are a lot of "cowboy tough guys". They tend to sully the deal for the responsible folks. Of which I am one, BTW...

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    Default Re: Gun control discussions in the wake of the Newtown, CT deaths

    Quote Originally Posted by Sepia and Dust View Post
    The only other countries that can compare to the United States in terms of population, land area, and diversity are Russia and China. I certainly don't want their forms of government.
    Canada may be more like us other than in terms of population. Do you have a problem with them?


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