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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunted View Post
    What did the doctor do after the babies were aborted??? 'Snipped' their spinal cord: and that's not infanticide?
    That IS infanticide; the babies were delivered live, at a point in time where they could have survived.

    I'm pro-choice, but don't see the need for 3rd trimester abortions, and unless it is a case where the mother's life is at risk or the child is so deformed as to be non-viable, I'm against it.

    I am also greatly disturbed by the recent right-wing attacks on birth control; making it more difficult to prevent pregnancy can only result in more abortions, and potentially more scenarios like this one.

    I think that women DO have the right to decide whether and when they want to have children, mistakes happen, and no woman ought to be forced to carry a child to term against her will. This isn't just an argument about the sanctity of our bodies, but a woman's economic power depends on her ability to decide whether and when she has children, since the woman nearly always winds up being the primary caretaker. Curtailing a woman's choice in this matter has huge implications in terms of her economic power...and by extension, the amount of power she has in general.

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    I googled "right wing attacks on birth control" and the only thing that came up is opposition to the mandate that it be covered under insurance.

    Can anyone provide links that show right wingers have introduced legislation to ban the sale or manufacture of birth control?

    Since we are talking about facilitating recreational sex, is there a similar mandate that ED drugs like Viagra be covered?

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    Well, here's the first page of hits when I Googled "right wing contraception" https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...27c09986e2aec2

    Maybe you should try different words and combinations. There is no doubt - and plenty of proof - that the right is lined up against contraception. From The Catholic League to Limbaugh, contraception has been equated to being promiscuous. It's prudish right-wing nonsense.

    Take a look at this lovely little hit piece full of lies and distortions:



    Face it, the idea of controlling women is behind all of this: from contraception to abortion even cancer screenings and mammograms. This crusade against Planned Parenthood, libeling that organization with outright lies, is killing women. Mostly poor women. All because it says in a book that men are better than women. It's bullsh1t and religion-based, all of it. And it's high time it stopped.
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    I have been following this on the local news for some time now. Was shocked that the national media for the most part chose to ignore it until shamed into doing so. Kudo’s to Kristen Powers for calling out media hypocrisy on the matter.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...olumn/2072577/

    And she did a follow up to the attacks on her original USA piece.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...nizations.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by guido tkp View Post
    i do not want to put words in your mouth, haunted...but the briefness of your note would indicate a line of thinking that would equate the horrible event of which we've all been reading, wherein a dr., seemingly, has gone ...well...berzerk or something...with all the everyday legal practices of medicine that the other 99.99999% of doctors who work in the field of womens medical health that utilize abortion practices for a wide variety of reasons function....

    in short...you seem to be throwing in all dr.s who perform any abortions with this cretin....

    maybe a little clarification would help us understand what it is you actually meant...

    otherwise, sorry for the imposition
    Not exactly sure of your confusion but my query was to Lily's submit above and I was writing about this particular 'doctor'. I have read that 'snipping' was his method of stopping the babies from living and he is being tried for performing this technique or ordering it to be done on seven (7) babies along with the death of a young woman from over-sedation. Being the daughter of a doctor, I know that there are good ones and there are not so good ones; GNTLGNT will back me on this, I am sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guido tkp View Post
    all good thoughts, tery...too bad one cretin like this will make all of the cogent, reasonable thinking needed that much more difficult to be at play on this sensitive issue

    much like when the far right nearly cornered the conversation on exactly what a late term abortion might mean/be like, during the clinton years...i've no doubt there are plans being drawn up by the anti-choice crowd to utilize this horror to thier political advantage

    and, considering alot of the...ahem...cough-cough...laws passed lately...the idea that we are not supposed to be a theocracy is slowly slipping away...

    of course, to be fair...i'm sure this drip-drip-drip down the drain of individual rights must be the fault of both parties...of both the left as well as the right....

    even thought the far right is the only group actively working at curtailing womens healthcare and religious rights, on a wide variety of levels, for some time...
    May I ask, religious rights?

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    Lot's of religious groups have always been against birth control, but I still haven't seen the proposed legislation banning it.

    I also found this.

    In 2005, Congress removed coverage for ED drugs from both Medicare and Medicaid, and many self-funded health coverage plans and private insurers followed their lead. A number of health insurance programs contractually excluded treatment for ED shortly after Viagra was introduced to the market back in 1998.


    Read more: http://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectil...#ixzz2QhAD61RU


    So has this injustice been corrected under the The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimson2 View Post
    Since we are talking about facilitating recreational sex, is there a similar mandate that ED drugs like Viagra be covered?
    Wow. Wow.

    I had cervical cancer. I had a large portion of my cervix removed. My cervix was not strong enough to hold a pregnancy but the only way to know that was to try. I had miscarriages. They were devastating. I got on the pill and will stay on the pill until my OBGYN thinks it's okay.

    Should my husband and I have abstained from sex for the last 10 years? Or should I just have continued to have dead babies?

    You disgust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimson2 View Post
    Lot's of religious groups have always been against birth control, but I still haven't seen the proposed legislation banning it.
    Here.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-birth-control

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_959100.html

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.212:

    http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/a...cc4c03286.html

    I could keep going. Maybe you haven't seen it because you haven't looked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shasta View Post
    Wow. Wow.

    I had cervical cancer. I had a large portion of my cervix removed. My cervix was not strong enough to hold a pregnancy but the only way to know that was to try. I had miscarriages. They were devastating. I got on the pill and will stay on the pill until my OBGYN thinks it's okay.

    Should my husband and I have abstained from sex for the last 10 years? Or should I just have continued to have dead babies?

    You disgust me.
    Oh come on, I never said there should be a ban on any kind of contraception. I don't even favor a ban on abortion.

    I just don't consider opposition to mandated prescription coverage for birth control pills to rise to the level of a "War on women"

    I certainly don't agree with any attempts to ban the sale or manufacture of birth control pills. I also don't favor any attempts to prevent insurance companies from offering such coverage.

    No I don't think you should abstain for ten years and if your BC pills were covered under insurance than that's great.

    I am not against recreational sex, but if prescription coverage for that is elevated to a "right" for women than why not ED drugs for men? Should they abstain from sex because of a medical condition?

    They wouldn't be able to have sex at all without the expensive prescription. The ability to have sex minus the risk of pregnancy has other very inexpensive over the counter options.

    Thanks for the links. The only one you mentioned that most qualifies is the "we the people" act, and I would be against that

    I'm not sure if this one does, because the primary purpose of birth control is to prevent a woman from ovulating in the first place.

    The bill has not yet specifically spelled out the mandates that would be put on contraceptives, but according to Wessel-Kroeschell, the use of any birth control that has the potential of preventing a fertilized egg from embedding in the uterus could be banned. Many forms of contraception do this even though their primary purpose is only to prevent a woman from ovulating.

    Now, if these pills sometime fail to do that and the secondary line of defense is to prevent an embryo from implanting in the uterus, while I could see how some would somehow consider that to be some form of abortion, I wouldn't want them banned on that basis.

    I believe that birth control should be widely available to the point where I think even oral contraceptives may have a long enough track record that we could consider making them over the counter.

    I just don't think that opposition to mandated coverage automatically means someone hates women and wants to subjugate them.

    Note: I just looked at my paperwork and see that coverage for ED medication is excluded. Should I be outraged that this isn't being treated as my "right"? Or should I be willing to pay out of my pocket for it?

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