Does art support life?

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Benjamin

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!
 

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!
Moved your thread to the On Writing section of the board Benjamin.
 

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!
Welcome Benjamin
Quote by Stephen King: “Life isn't a support system for art. It's the ...”

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I guess you would have to read the other sentences around it to get the full meaning.
Maybe it means that the arts make life worth living?
Most people cannot make a lot of money in the arts - you have to have a lot of talent.
 

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!
...in his case, the art of writing has come to support his life most comfortably...however, I think it means that without any of the arts, life would be a much poorer existence...creativity and genius are what make us a unique species...
 

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I took it to mean that Mr. King believes that art is what makes us human and sets us apart from our purely animal needs--what gives us a 'life'. Without art (or one kind or another), we are not living fully; we are existing.
 

Neesy

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I took it to mean that Mr. King believes that art is what makes us human and sets us apart from our purely animal needs--what gives us a 'life'. Without art (or one kind or another), we are not living fully; we are existing.
Good observation skimom2!

It also reminds me of a quote from the movie "Kate and Leopold":

Where I come from the meal is the result of reflection and study. Menus are prepared in advance, timed to perfection. It is said that without the culinary arts, the crudeness of reality would be unbearable.

Just think how less rich our lives would be without books and reading
(or theatre, music, art galleries, etc.)
 
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Tbone1969

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!

Ben, where does art come from but from flawless nature AND the human mind. Many things can live and in a way they are a form of natural art but the unique thing in this universe is the human mind and its ability to strive for art either directly as is the case with writers and painters or indirectly through partaking in that striving though viewing and reading. Without art, well you can guess what bleak measure meet out to human existance. You will be happiest when you create and its the best way to stay off antidepressants.
 

mjs9153

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Good observation skimom2!

It also reminds me of a quote from the movie "Kate and Leopold":

Where I come from the meal is the result of reflection and study. Menus are prepared in advance, timed to perfection. It is said that without the culinary arts, the crudeness of reality would be unbearable.

Just think how less rich our lives would be without books and reading
(or theatre, music, art galleries, etc.)
Interesting..just think how life would be without being able to appreciate arts at all..makes you wonder if animals are cognizant of the natural beauty around them,or if they just go on,in their never ending search for sustenance,the only thought where to find their next meal..can animals that think,higher orders like bears,wolves,etc, appreciate the beauty surrounding them..
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Interesting..just think how life would be without being able to appreciate arts at all..makes you wonder if animals are cognizant of the natural beauty around them,or if they just go on,in their never ending search for sustenance,the only thought where to find their next meal..can animals that think,higher orders like bears,wolves,etc, appreciate the beauty surrounding them..
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You have brought up a good point. What about dolphins? elephants? I know animals have instincts (as do some people) which helps them survive.

Have you ever felt sort of a 'psychic' connection with an animal? I can think of a dog in particular (she belonged to my brother). I was sobbing for some reason or other a long time ago - I think I was about 19. She came over and put her head in my lap.

I have always admired crows and other clever birds - parrots, cockatiels etc.

Well - gotta go - I have been unable to post much lately but I hope to come back here this weekend, once hubby has flown back up North.

Love and green lights to all! :cheerful::kiss:
 

mjs9153

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You have brought up a good point. What about dolphins? elephants? I know animals have instincts (as do some people) which helps them survive.

Have you ever felt sort of a 'psychic' connection with an animal? I can think of a dog in particular (she belonged to my brother). I was sobbing for some reason or other a long time ago - I think I was about 19. She came over and put her head in my lap.

I have always admired crows and other clever birds - parrots, cockatiels etc.

Well - gotta go - I have been unable to post much lately but I hope to come back here this weekend, once hubby has flown back up North.

Love and green lights to all! :cheerful::kiss:
Yes,just like you,I was having a bad day over the loss of a family member,and one of my buddies' dogs,Bear,came to me and watched me..what an expression he had,laid his chin on my knee and looked like he wanted to heal me..what a great dog, he was pure black german shepherd..he also liked to take a running jump into my truck bed,he would hit the plastic bed cover and slide all the way forward and hit the back of the cab,he loved doing that!Looked like this guy,below.. Good old Bear.. :)

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!

Just a contribution to the many layers of insight here. Humans are rational beings, unlike lower animals. Yet we also possess that "right-sidedness" to our brain/thinking capacity--the creativity side.
Stephen King strikes me as a person with a balance of vast creativity & the stark contrast of realism. This comes through in his writing. What I think his statement conveys is that those who face life solely with a harsh "survival" mentality truly miss out on the richness of imagination & possibility thinking. In my experience, life is about what is tangible; art is about what is possible.
 

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When you look at the small desk in the corner of the room--I saw it as saying--it's not all about him and his art. It's a means to an end but it's not everything. So many artists when they reach the pinnacle forget that life is not about them and their art--life is still about others. If we make it about blowing up a big balloon of ego--everyone gets edged out. Because in our darkest hours, our art would be easily traded for the love and comfort of our family. I think that's why Mr. King treats what he does like a day in day out job--not an elevated conversation with the muses that makes him special.
 

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!
Are you sure that's a quote from him?
 

Christine62

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!

Oh yeah and love the fish metaphor.
 

Rrty

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I believe appreciation of art is something we have evolved to possess as a long-term -- extremely long-term, as I will explain -- survival mechanism.

When people are about to die, their thoughts probably start to gravitate toward the things they will no longer be able to do. Such as: read the next Stephen King book. Or play the next chapter of a video game. As a society, we instinctually know this, so the smarter ones among us try to cure disease or redistribute income toward those goals (strange to me, as an aside, that rich people don't scream at the government for more taxation so more research could be done in terms of extending life by curing various diseases; the rich, having everything else taken care of, usually switch to life preservation as a major activity -- exercising, eating right, etc., as they can afford to do this, and want to do this so they don't leave their comfortable existence in this world any earlier than they must since they were lucky enough to win the lottery).

As we evolve and hopefully become smarter (won't happen in our lifetime, or in the next thousand generations; evolution is slow), life theoretically will be extended. Longer lives, for obvious reasons, may cause the public to become more interested in space travel (if someone lived for 300 years, say, then a 100-year space mission might be supported by that person). And to our species, that is our ultimate need for long-term -- very long-term -- survival. (Note: I may have posted about this concept previously on the board.)
 
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Nicole Goldman

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Moved your thread to the On Writing section of the board Benjamin.
I know I am late to the party, but just finished listening to SK's On Writing and just wanted to give thanks. I have started my work, just a few months ago, though writing is something I seem to come back to each time I step away from other creative ventures. It's hard to give credence to yourself when most people won't understand why I am beginning this process at my age. Or maybe they would understand and I'm not giving them credit. Anyway, the book, like some others I've been using as support systems, such as the Art of Slow Writing by Louise DeSalvo, was very helpful and reaffirming. It's wonderful to hear Stephen read it. I'm not a suspense reader, or horror reader, so I wish I knew his work better, but this book was real and is duly noted and notated for future use. Thanks again Stephen.
 

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Some of SK's insights in On Writing excised latent cancerous thoughts plaguing my writing -- maybe even my life. I'll spare you the details. I am deeply grateful for his authenticity.

What I want to know is what did he mean by -- life does not support art, it's the other way around (On Writing).

When I think I understand, an instant later there's a slippery fish on the floor and just wet scales in my grasp.

Will you please help clarify this thought? Thank you!!

The actual words on the page say "Life isn't a support system for art. It's the other way around."

Look at the context: he's sobered up, got rid of a massive desk in the middle of the room, "put in a living room suite" and moved his smaller writing area into the corner. This means that he can enjoy the company of his kids. It demonstrates that he has realised different priorities: his family (Life) is more important than his writing (Art).

When he says "put your desk in the corner" and not in the middle, it's an analogy, a bit like your slippery fish. It means your writing (and any related issues that you might be going through) shouldn't be more important than your real life, to the detriment of those around you. I'm not sure it has anything to do with polar bears or dolphins.
 

Neesy

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The actual words on the page say "Life isn't a support system for art. It's the other way around."

Look at the context: he's sobered up, got rid of a massive desk in the middle of the room, "put in a living room suite" and moved his smaller writing area into the corner. This means that he can enjoy the company of his kids. It demonstrates that he has realised different priorities: his family (Life) is more important than his writing (Art).

When he says "put your desk in the corner" and not in the middle, it's an analogy, a bit like your slippery fish. It means your writing (and any related issues that you might be going through) shouldn't be more important than your real life, to the detriment of those around you. I'm not sure it has anything to do with polar bears or dolphins.


Dolphins? Polar Bears? Who has been sullying this fine thread again?

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I stopped reading after the image of the polar bear. I skimmed, but a phrase caught my eye after or was it before the bear? Something about art and "what is possible." I can't remember if the verb that linked the two was "be" or "open." The theory of catharsis has to do with the mimetic potentiality of art, how the representation of an emotion, for example, can communicate itself to the viewer mimetically. I need to mime your sorrowful face before I can start to feel your sorrow, to feel for your sorrow. (Which is coincidentally why people who have undergone a lot of neurotic protein skin treatments loss their capacity for empathy: because their faces won't automatically imitate the expressions of their interlocutors; if you smile at them they won't smile back immediately, as you know you or I would). For the Guarani of South America, culture is synonymous with finery or ornamentation. Culture is the finery that humans wear, that separates them from other animals. Like any sign of distinction, its first function is doubtless one of recognition. Mimicry, potentiality, recognizability. These words frame the space within which we can start to think about the question you raised. Though I cannot speak for Stephen, I am not sure that I would agree with what I think he's saying, though I would agree with the following phrase by a man named Robert: "Art is what makes life more interesting than art." You may have already read or seen it somewhere. Or with this poem by another Robert, on a statement by a man called r for Reinhardt:

i'm beginning to think
r was wrong
not r, but an idea i had
of him that I practically
worshipped
that said life was the
opposite of art
& art was the opposite of life
of life
& proud of it
but i think life
has something
to do with art
& it's just a matter
of finding
the special point
at which the
two of them
get together

End of quote and let's see if I can bring these things together somehow, make them work with or against each other. Below is a woman whose eyes are a butterfly and whose hair is leaves. The importance that we attach to words like art or even life cannot be measured lightly, massively. It should be gauged, both individually and generally, not solely in terms of what we say nor even what we do in the realm of art, for example, since we are talking about art, but also of life, of everyday life, in its most banal iterations. The special point that Robert Lax evokes is as vast as a surface and yet as dimensionless as a point. It is at that specific and singular point, however, in that repetition of singularities, that both the words "life" and "art" as well as the meanings that we ascribe to them are illuminated.