Finders Keepers Tense

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Ted Moss

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Not as in anxious, but as in past/present tense shift I saw in Finders Keepers I just finished. I don't mean the flashback chapters to 1979, but within the chapters. Loved it of course, and don't know if shift is even the right word. As an example, "Pete wondered what do and decided to place the call." vs. "Pete wonders what to do, decides, and places the call." Mr. King didn't write that, just my [like] example.

I was wondering the advantages of either approach and why both are used in the book.

I had my 1st novel (The Puppeteers) published in 2004 with highly limited success. I had no idea what I was doing, yet somehow found a publisher. Then kids came along, so new priorities. All have since moved out and am 95% done with first draft of novel #2; this time with the help of great books like On Writing by Mr. King along with other great references by Dwight Swain, Jack Bickham and others.

Any input greatly appreciated.
 

GNTLGNT

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Welcome to the MB! Lots of writers here, I'm sure you'll get some opinions :)
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Walter Oobleck

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one advantage i see writing a story present-tense is that those time-shifts to the past stand out...are they easier to make? maybe maybe not. bobbi ann mason and her shiloh and other stories are all told present tense...as i recall. been years since i read them and i think her stories were the first experience i had with a writer who used the fabled present-tense. are there others? looked just now for my copy of under the dome. yeesh! finally found it, but the search echoed another search a day or two earlier, same thing, looking for a king tome for reference. oh, i know, was playing a game and needed the book to find a word or two. found the books each time but i'd started to wonder if someone ran off with them. i'm so easily distracted.

i know i've read other stories all told present tense, have enjoyed them all, and truth be told i don't think i noticed what tense was used until some point into the story. i think there's a sense of here and now, a sense of immediacy with present tense. is it also called the joke-tense? two drunks walk into a bar. so forth, so on. wish i could point you to some other stories told present. seems like the majority of the fiction i've read has been told past tense. i don't believe i noticed each time shift, or tense shift, in finders keepers, although i did notice how the story was told.

wondering now if the girl on the train had some present tense telling. that's what i get for not making notes i can readily access. fallen short of the mark again, alas.
 

Neesy

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Not as in anxious, but as in past/present tense shift I saw in Finders Keepers I just finished. I don't mean the flashback chapters to 1979, but within the chapters. Loved it of course, and don't know if shift is even the right word. As an example, "Pete wondered what do and decided to place the call." vs. "Pete wonders what to do, decides, and places the call." Mr. King didn't write that, just my [like] example.

I was wondering the advantages of either approach and why both are used in the book.

I had my 1st novel (The Puppeteers) published in 2004 with highly limited success. I had no idea what I was doing, yet somehow found a publisher. Then kids came along, so new priorities. All have since moved out and am 95% done with first draft of novel #2; this time with the help of great books like On Writing by Mr. King along with other great references by Dwight Swain, Jack Bickham and others.

Any input greatly appreciated.
Your example sounds very formal

I highlighted the more natural sounding sentence in green and the stilted unnatural sounding sentence in blue.

You must have read that part in On Writing about a first kiss?

I am quoting him here:

How about this: My first kiss will always be recalled by me as how my romance with Shayna was begun.

Oh, man - who farted, right?

A simpler way to express this idea - sweeter and more forceful as well - might be this: My romance with Shayna began with our first kiss. I'll never forget it.



Now I'm done quoting (but that "who farted" part really made me laugh the first time I read it).

He also talks about the "passive voice" (it's around page 124 in the hard copy book) in the Toolbox chapter

Anyway - Welcome to the SKMB! (not sure if my comments helped you or not)




 

Ted Moss

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Thanks for the reply. My mom was out of St. John's, Newfoundland and my father was a US Navy pilot stationed up there at the base in Argentia about 90mi south of St. John's. His plane was a Lockheed Superconstellation WV-2. Pretty cool plane you can Google if so inclined. Many of my book ideas came from being there myself.

As of the original question on tense, I've since finished the follow-on to Finders Keepers, titled End of Watch. Same question arises, but I now more clearly see how Mr. King uses past tense when someone remembers the past, and present when things are happening real time. To quote from the book: "A week before Brady spoke to nurse Norma Wimer, he opened his eyes...and looked at the bottle of saline.." vs. "Hodges steps into a rectangle with bare wood walls.." and "He walks to the front of the garage and sits..." But again. "steps" vs. "stepped" and "walks and sits" vs. "walked and sat." I really like the immediacy of his "walks and sits" style, but have been indoctrinated by the "walked and sat" authorities. Looking for any more ideas in this realm....
 
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skimom2

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I'm not a fan of present tense--it's very limiting. Mr. King made good use of it, but even he doesn't write books entirely in present tense. The only place I see it used with regularity is in Childrens/YA novels and romance novels. Modern Lit Lite writers have been toying with using present tense exclusively, too, but usually unsuccessfully (IMO, of course).
 

Ted Moss

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Thanks for the reply. Thought I may have blinked and missed something. I had been reading Alan Furst as well as other styles such as Mr. Baldaccci and the present tense sort of threw me at first. In one/some of his books, I recall James Scott Bell advised to read books you might not otherwise consider [outside] your genre. Of these two authors, my efforts lean more towards Mr. Furst's work. I started out this 2nd novel as a straight out thriller with action hero, and found out 3/4 through I just couldn't do it sincerely. So I re-tooled the premise as "ordinary guy" faces extraordinary situation. I have Mr. King's "On Writing" which I have gone back to many times (audio and hard-copy) over the years which is also an excellent resource as are the books by Dwight Swain and Jack Bickham with whom you may be familiar....
 
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