R.I.P Prince

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Gerald

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... he's not trying to offend anyone or being rebellious...

He did say though that the reason he went on stage in lingerie was also to shock people. He said he did it, because one of the things you want to do when you are young is to shock. There was an element of rebellion about it, he didn't call his band 'The Revolution' for nothing.
And it's a sure way to attract attention too, of course. Something to have people talk about besides the music.
He didn't call the album after Dirty Mind, Controversy for nothing. He very consciously used sexuality to gain attention and cause controversy, which sells - as Madonna knows too.
 

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He did say though that the reason he went on stage in lingerie was also to shock people. He said he did it, because one of the things you want to do when you are young is to shock. There was an element of rebellion about it, he didn't call his band 'The Revolution' for nothing.
And it's a sure way to attract attention too, of course. Something to have people talk about besides the music.
He didn't call the album after Dirty Mind, Controversy for nothing. He very consciously used sexuality to gain attention and cause controversy, which sells - as Madonna knows too.
Unlike Madonna, Prince knew when it was time to stop trying to play the sex god and just let the music tell the story. He stopped doing the lewd behavior right about when he aged into his 40's. Madonna just keeps trying to be a sex pot and it just doesn't work. As a co-worker said to me about 10 years ago- 'It's like watching my grandma trying to be sexy.' :heheh:
 

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Unlike Madonna, Prince knew when it was time to stop trying to play the sex god and just let the music tell the story. He stopped doing the lewd behavior right about when he aged into his 40's. Madonna just keeps trying to be a sex pot and it just doesn't work. As a co-worker said to me about 10 years ago- 'It's like watching my grandma trying to be sexy.' :heheh:
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He did say though that the reason he went on stage in lingerie was also to shock people. He said he did it, because one of the things you want to do when you are young is to shock. There was an element of rebellion about it, he didn't call his band 'The Revolution' for nothing.
And it's a sure way to attract attention too, of course. Something to have people talk about besides the music.
He didn't call the album after Dirty Mind, Controversy for nothing. He very consciously used sexuality to gain attention and cause controversy, which sells - as Madonna knows too.
Funny that you mentioned Controversy--I was just thinking about that album this morning! That's one of my favorite albums of his. And, of course you're right--he was interested in controversy. How I was thinking about it was that it wasn't just a marketing tool (like Madonna, et. al)--it was just how and who he was.
 

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Unlike Madonna, Prince knew when it was time to stop trying to play the sex god and just let the music tell the story. He stopped doing the lewd behavior right about when he aged into his 40's. Madonna just keeps trying to be a sex pot and it just doesn't work. As a co-worker said to me about 10 years ago- 'It's like watching my grandma trying to be sexy.' :heheh:

I think the last time Prince showed some nudity was probably when he did Gett Off live for MTV? And that song really asked for it.

More importantly Madonna's music also isn't that great anymore. I have most of her albums, but after Hard Candy I lost interest in the music. I haven't even bought MDNA or Rebel Heart. Something seems to be missing, or at least she isn't able anymore to produce immedeately catchy hitsingles - I don't know what the quality is of the rest of the last two albums, but the way into her albums was always some really catchy hit or hits.
But 'Bitch, I'm Madonna', it's hard to take even serious (although essentially it's not a very different statement than 'My name is Prince and I am funky', which we also knew all along).
 

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Funny that you mentioned Controversy--I was just thinking about that album this morning! That's one of my favorite albums of his. And, of course you're right--he was interested in controversy. How I was thinking about it was that it wasn't just a marketing tool (like Madonna, et. al)--it was just how and who he was.

I don't think it was a marketing tool no, as often sexuality is in music. He said he always had a strong interest in sex. Actually him being a man dressing in women's underwear would scare off as many people as attract them. But he sure didn't mind it caused controversy.
At the concert I saw him in Rotterdam he did a very long version of Controversy.

I would say though of his early albums Dirty Mind is by far my favourite. There is this enormous directness in the sound of Dirty Mind, like he didn't change it an awful lot from the demos (don't know if he did). It's got this very clear, simple sound which I can't compare to other records, even his own other ones - usually records are too produced, like they thought endlessly how they would sound best; Dirty Mind is super basic.
 

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Actually when I was thinking if there are other music acts that have a lot of sexuality in their lyrics, there is a worldfamous band who does, but with them it's not as immedeately clear as with Prince, where there's really no getting around it. It's a band who is very fond of innuendo: you can take the lyrics in a sexual manner if you want to, but it's not quite as direct.

It's of course AC/DC. Their music video compilation alone is called Family Jewels, and if you didn't get that the image on the sleeve drops you another hint. They essentially have a sleazy (yet in a highly polished manner) image.
 

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Actually when I was thinking if there are other music acts that have a lot of sexuality in their lyrics, there is a worldfamous band who does, but with them it's not as immedeately clear as with Prince, where there's really no getting around it. It's a band who is very fond of innuendo: you can take the lyrics in a sexual manner if you want to, but it's not quite as direct.

It's of course AC/DC. Their music video compilation alone is called Family Jewels, and if you didn't get that the image on the sleeve drops you another hint. They essentially have a sleazy (yet in a highly polished manner) image.
AC/DC used innuendos with their lyrics, where as Prince was a lot more direct (at least until he became a J. Witness). One of my favorite lines from a Prince song is from Vicki Waiting (Batman soundtrack)-'Did you hear about the woman who asked her lover why is your organ so small? He replied I didn't know I was playing in a cathedral'. ;-D
 

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I think the last time Prince showed some nudity was probably when he did Gett Off live for MTV? And that song really asked for it.

More importantly Madonna's music also isn't that great anymore. I have most of her albums, but after Hard Candy I lost interest in the music. I haven't even bought MDNA or Rebel Heart. Something seems to be missing, or at least she isn't able anymore to produce immedeately catchy hitsingles - I don't know what the quality is of the rest of the last two albums, but the way into her albums was always some really catchy hit or hits.
But 'Bitch, I'm Madonna', it's hard to take even serious (although essentially it's not a very different statement than 'My name is Prince and I am funky', which we also knew all along).
I stopped listening to Madge after the next album after Ray Of Light (I consider ROL to be her best album ever).
 

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I stopped listening to Madge after the next album after Ray Of Light (I consider ROL to be her best album ever).

Ray of Light is probably her best album, although that's mainly because of William Orbit of course. He also made similar beautiful tracks for All Saints (Pure Shores and Black Coffee) - it's very much his sound that makes the album so good.

My favourite though is Bedtime Stories. It shows a gentler, warmer, more human side of Madonna (one song is even called Human Nature) you don't see/hear so often.
 

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So I thought I would write a somewhat short version of my trip to Paisley Park and Minneapolis. It was the best birthday ever! I'm so glad that I went. Minneapolis is so clean and beautiful! We were driving around downtown and I remarked that there weren't even any cigarette butts in the gutters. Everywhere you look there are people walking dogs. There are asphalt trails everywhere so if you want to roller blade, run, walk, jog you can. Chanhassen, where Paisley Park is, is about a 20 minute drive from downtown and I believe the trails from there go all the way downtown. Everyone is friendly there, too. Everywhere you look there are 'Help Wanted' signs. If they didn't have such harsh winters I'd move there in a heartbeat.
Our first tour at PP was the VIP tour. I urge anyone going there to take the VIP tour. They spend so much more time with you and explain so much more and show you lots more than the General Admission tour. Our group consisted of 4 people and three of them were my niece, my bestie and myself. The first thing they do is take you into the 2 story atrium. There is a white marble floor with Prince's symbol in black in the center. His urn is there, above the entrance to the kitchen. Our guide respectfully stepped back to let us take in the moment and shed some tears. My niece, my bestie and I stood with our arms around each other and cried. The guides know that it's an emotional time for some. After our guide came back to resume the tour, she began talking and then said 'Oh! Did you hear that? The doves are cooing! They haven't made a sound all morning.' I said that maybe Prince was comforting us thru them. I felt him everywhere. I felt such love and peace the entire time I was there. They took us into his office, which is exactly as it was the day he passed. They showed us the Purple Rain room, the Controversy Room, the Graffiti Bridge Room, the huge open space that was used to film concerts and rehearse for upcoming tours. Everywhere are his clothes that he wore. There are two Purple Rain motorcycles. They took us into the NPG Music Club, which is a smaller venue where Prince would put on smaller shows or have a dj brought in to spin records for dancing. I wish I could show you pictures but you're not allowed to take pics or record anything while you are there. We took the General Admission tour on Saturday and were able to go to PP After Dark which was in the NPG Music Club room and danced our butts off. We went to Lake Minnetonka and I stuck my toe in so I have been purified. Apparently the basement is full of items that they haven't even finished cataloguing so there will be even more things to see later. I will go back in a couple of years to see what's new.
 

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So I thought I would write a somewhat short version of my trip to Paisley Park and Minneapolis. It was the best birthday ever! I'm so glad that I went. Minneapolis is so clean and beautiful! We were driving around downtown and I remarked that there weren't even any cigarette butts in the gutters. Everywhere you look there are people walking dogs. There are asphalt trails everywhere so if you want to roller blade, run, walk, jog you can. Chanhassen, where Paisley Park is, is about a 20 minute drive from downtown and I believe the trails from there go all the way downtown. Everyone is friendly there, too. Everywhere you look there are 'Help Wanted' signs. If they didn't have such harsh winters I'd move there in a heartbeat.
Our first tour at PP was the VIP tour. I urge anyone going there to take the VIP tour. They spend so much more time with you and explain so much more and show you lots more than the General Admission tour. Our group consisted of 4 people and three of them were my niece, my bestie and myself. The first thing they do is take you into the 2 story atrium. There is a white marble floor with Prince's symbol in black in the center. His urn is there, above the entrance to the kitchen. Our guide respectfully stepped back to let us take in the moment and shed some tears. My niece, my bestie and I stood with our arms around each other and cried. The guides know that it's an emotional time for some. After our guide came back to resume the tour, she began talking and then said 'Oh! Did you hear that? The doves are cooing! They haven't made a sound all morning.' I said that maybe Prince was comforting us thru them. I felt him everywhere. I felt such love and peace the entire time I was there. They took us into his office, which is exactly as it was the day he passed. They showed us the Purple Rain room, the Controversy Room, the Graffiti Bridge Room, the huge open space that was used to film concerts and rehearse for upcoming tours. Everywhere are his clothes that he wore. There are two Purple Rain motorcycles. They took us into the NPG Music Club, which is a smaller venue where Prince would put on smaller shows or have a dj brought in to spin records for dancing. I wish I could show you pictures but you're not allowed to take pics or record anything while you are there. We took the General Admission tour on Saturday and were able to go to PP After Dark which was in the NPG Music Club room and danced our butts off. We went to Lake Minnetonka and I stuck my toe in so I have been purified. Apparently the basement is full of items that they haven't even finished cataloguing so there will be even more things to see later. I will go back in a couple of years to see what's new.
:love: (((Dana))) I'm so glad you were able to do this. Thank you for sharing with us. xox
 

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Sounds fantastic, Kingricefan. If I lived closer to there I would surely go.

I was surprised to see the Purple Rain expanded edition in the store. I didn't know they were gonna release this after all, since it was already announced some years ago and seemed to be cancelled or in limbo.

I find it hard to find a good review of it. Where can you find a review with the technical specifics. What is the audiomix of the concert dvd? Is there also a version with the concert on blu-ray? What is the quality of the image/sound of the dvd, are there some screenshots?
 

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Sounds fantastic, Kingricefan. If I lived closer to there I would surely go.

I was surprised to see the Purple Rain expanded edition in the store. I didn't know they were gonna release this after all, since it was already announced some years ago and seemed to be cancelled or in limbo.

I find it hard to find a good review of it. Where can you find a review with the technical specifics. What is the audiomix of the concert dvd? Is there also a version with the concert on blu-ray? What is the quality of the image/sound of the dvd, are there some screenshots?


I bought it and was disappointed with the sound because of the lack of dynamic range (but almost everything released now is like that) but it is still worth buying. The 2 discs of unreleased stuff and b-sides are awesome. I have not had a chance to view the concert yet but it is from the time period of Purple Rain.

Review: Prince's 'Purple Rain' Deluxe Edition Reissues - Rolling Stone
 

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There is often nowadays a lot of dynamic range compression unfortunately. It is done because it makes the music sound louder.

It's hard to find specifics of the dvd. It seems it is the concert previously available on VHS and doesn't look all that restored. This is generally what seems to be happening with his movies and concerts - they don't really get restored all that much.
Sign 'O' The Times at least got a DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 here on dvd and a Dolby Digital 5.1. But the image was quite poor.
But I recently bought Graffiti Bridge and it was just Dolby Digital and didn't sound great (unfortunately the blu-ray isn't released here).

It seems the specifics of the dvd are not on the package of this Deluxe.
 

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There is often nowadays a lot of dynamic range compression unfortunately. It is done because it makes the music sound louder.

It's hard to find specifics of the dvd. It seems it is the concert previously available on VHS and doesn't look all that restored. This is generally what seems to be happening with his movies and concerts - they don't really get restored all that much.
Sign 'O' The Times at least got a DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 here on dvd and a Dolby Digital 5.1. But the image was quite poor.
But I recently bought Graffiti Bridge and it was just Dolby Digital and didn't sound great (unfortunately the blu-ray isn't released here).

It seems the specifics of the dvd are not on the package of this Deluxe.

I will watch soon and give you my take.
 

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The Purple Rain deluxe and expanded edition surely lives up to the term 'expanded'. Where most artists only add a limited number of tracks left from the original release, here there is a whole (long) cd full of unreleased material. Computer Blue was always one of my favourites, so the long (more than ten minutes) Hallway Speech version I was particularly pleased with. In fact, what's great about many tracks is their length: there are four that pass the 10 minute mark, and a lot of the others are stil 6/7 minutes.
A big surprise to me was We Can F**k, a song already released on Graffiti Bridge as We Can Funk, a duet with George Clinton. I had no idea it already existed this early and thought it was written by the two funk-masters together, since it had the word 'funk' so prominently as with much of Clinton's stuff. (I still think lines like 'I'll gladly pee in anybody's cup. And when your cup overflow I'll pee some more.' must have come from Clinton.)
It's also great to have an instrumental version of God and a (long) studio version of I Would Die 4 U. You could argue including the 7 inch versions of the singles doesn't add much, as it is usually the longer version with an early fade, but I'm glad they included them as they make you appreciate the longer versions that much more. The B-sides like 17 Days and God were always great, but the stand-out was Erotic City of course, which deserved to be on the album. I don't know why it was left out, but it doesn't fit the overall tone of the album - it sounds more like something that could have been on Controversy to me.

FlJoe already informed me about the dvd and I didn't expect too much, but I still found the image disappointing. It's relatively sharp when there is full light on, but obviously to create the mysterious, erotically charged atmosphere of the show there are a lot of darker parts where sometimes it's hard to see what's going on. The sound, while not top, was good enough for me. They don't seem to have done overdubs, it sounds like purely what was played: you can hear the other musicians in The Revolution are not always such great singers - on 1999 for example.
I was surprised at how theatrical the show was, with many spoken word parts in the first half. You think if he hadn't become a musician he might have been a theatrical actor. You can recognise some lyrics that would appear in Temptation, but no complete songs from Around The World in a Day which would be released the month after the show. Towards the end it becomes a total party, with many Prince-related artists like Sheila E. (who wasn't a full member yet) coming on stage. His shows were always impressive, but it seems like he gave it even a little more energy than usual, as you would do with something broadcast live. Also it features the longest version of Purple Rain I know (I think 18 minutes or so).

I like the reflecting, mirror-like sleeve, but it is strange they only included three sleeves, with the fourth disc stuck with the booklet. Prince sleeves have been impractical before though; Musicology can't even house the booklet.
It's nice to read the liner notes as producer/engineer/mixer/audio technician Susan Rogers shares her memories of how no one (except maybe Prince) anticipated the success of the album and film (there was even some doubt when the sleeve arrived). Prince comes across as a non stop workaholic (no surprise given his output), who could be in the studio for 20 hours, or would do a sound check, full show and still work all night in the studio. You wonder if this contributed too to his early death as it just doesn't seem healthy. Also nice is to know how he built up the layers of the tracks and that he didn't sing in a booth as most artists.

Another section is a track-by-track with the Revolution members. Often Prince would bring a new song in its raw form and through rehearsing and working on it, it would take its full shape. Especially Purple Rain is a joint effort to which each brought his/her own part.
It's strange that with all the information in the booklet, the original release date of the album is left out. It is 25 June 1984. But such facts can easily be checked online.
You certainly hope there will be more albums that get an expanded edition like this, but as Purple Rain was the only one announced before his death, it's hard to tell.