The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

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Lepplady

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Chiana

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I actually sobbed when Shiva died. Same as I did when Abraham and Glenn died. I know she was just CGI but darn it, I loved her character.

I did not enjoy Daryl and Rick fist fighting. I was so worried they were going to completely fall out with each other. I love that they really are like brothers. I hope they stay tight. Is that a man thing, where you can pound the crap out of each other then everything's cool? And they still lost the guns. I'm looking forward to the last three episodes but am worried who is going to be killed off next.
 

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I actually sobbed when Shiva died. Same as I did when Abraham and Glenn died. I know she was just CGI but darn it, I loved her character.

I did not enjoy Daryl and Rick fist fighting. I was so worried they were going to completely fall out with each other. I love that they really are like brothers. I hope they stay tight. Is that a man thing, where you can pound the crap out of each other then everything's cool? And they still lost the guns. I'm looking forward to the last three episodes but am worried who is going to be killed off next.

Responding to portion I bolded.

Yes, it is a guy thing. A guy will beat the cr@p out of you and then it’s over. A girl....well, ever heard of the movie Mean Girls? When my son was in high school he said he would much rather have a guy gang after him than a girl gang. The guys will beat you up and it’s over. The girls, it will keep coming back, year after year.
 

grin willard

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SO STUPID!!!!!!

Did you see how she basically fell under the weight of less than a dozen walkers?! Even a female tiger, and one who is particularly small at 500 lbs, would have rolled over clawing, ripped her way free and ran. Ever see a house cat fight?!! A big cat would have ripped them to shreds. I tried to wash a small cat in the sink once, and hating water she turned into a chainsaw! I let go real quick. Big cats are incredibly strong. Any tiger could have easily escaped those rotting bags of bones. Maybe if Shiva had been badly wounded from the gunshots of the previous attack I could see it, but they made no indication. That was so painfully idiotic and a sad end for what had been portrayed as a beautiful beast. Yeah, I know, it was really just a guy in bluesuit prancing around like Mary Poppins to be CGI-ed in later, so I can see his worthless ass being crushed under the weight of several walkers. Sorry blue-suit-guy, I'm a bit perturbed.
 

mjs9153

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SO STUPID!!!!!!

Did you see how she basically fell under the weight of less than a dozen walkers?! Even a female tiger, and one who is particularly small at 500 lbs, would have rolled over clawing, ripped her way free and ran. Ever see a house cat fight?!! A big cat would have ripped them to shreds. I tried to wash a small cat in the sink once, and hating water she turned into a chainsaw! I let go real quick. Big cats are incredibly strong. Any tiger could have easily escaped those rotting bags of bones. Maybe if Shiva had been badly wounded from the gunshots of the previous attack I could see it, but they made no indication. That was so painfully idiotic and a sad end for what had been portrayed as a beautiful beast. Yeah, I know, it was really just a guy in bluesuit prancing around like Mary Poppins to be CGI-ed in later, so I can see his worthless ass being crushed under the weight of several walkers. Sorry blue-suit-guy, I'm a bit perturbed.
All true,but we have to suspend belief at the door,I mean,how in the heck were they feeding a full grown tiger,needs what,twenty to fifty pounds of meat almost daily..meanwhile the people are supposedly scraping for food.. ;)
 

grin willard

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All true,but we have to suspend belief at the door,I mean,how in the heck were they feeding a full grown tiger,needs what,twenty to fifty pounds of meat almost daily..meanwhile the people are supposedly scraping for food.. ;)

Suspend belief? I would but I left my suspenders at home! mjs, the walkers are made out of ... what? :barf: Remember when a group was gorging pigs with walker meat then giving the pigs to Negan for his tribute? Apparently with no ill effects to the porkers or their consumers. And there's also Petsmart. :) I'm not kidding here. There's tons of dry dog & cat food out there that would probably remain edible for a decade. And not just for the kitty. In a pinch, I'd be scarfing down some meow mix. Some of that sh!t makes it's own gravy!
 

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Have to say I skipped last week after the
What was the point of reintroducing Morales?
episode. I missed the Monday airing due to visiting my gf's mom in hospital and, knowing I wouldn't like or agree with at least one thing that happened in 'Some Guy', I just couldn't summon up any motivation to watch it. In the end, I stuck it on last night just before the latest ep. My words as I did so were, "Let's get this over with, then".

Now on the whole, 'Some Guy' wasn't bad. There was the now-familiar A-Team style shooting - which to me just screams that the producers, and particularly Gimple, are sitting there going 'Season 7's too slow? You want action? Here's some action. Lap it up' and basically taking the pee, because now they're looking down on the audience and sneering for not recognising their 'genius' (next up, grenades that explode a foot away, but do nothing except cause the pursuing bad guys to fly six feet in the air and perform a somersault/half-pike before staggering away) - and
there were the also now-familiar very accommodating zombies. I mean, how often did they pause to give Throwback Phil time to waffle pointlessly at Ezekiel? (Tbh, in 'Zeke's place I'd have been going "FFS, just pull the trigger if all you're going to do is bore me".) Then they were very accommodating again when they allowed the three of them to take an eternity to decide, then cross the rail tracks.
But overall, it was a decent ep.
It was good to see Special-Ops Carol back in action,
though as with most of this season, there were moments of forehead-smacking stupidity and lack of narrative logic, but at this point I think they can't help themselves...or have decided that the audience is dumber than a bag of rocks and so simply don't care to try.
You can probably guess the big thing that didn't work for me. Yep, the death of Shiva. For one thing, a tiger would not be troubled by that number of shambling fools. Not one bit. A cub, yes. A very p***ed off adult? Nope. At the very least it would have been rolling and leaping and lashing out. I mean, these things can break your neck just giving you a playful dab. If you get a proper, full-on whack, your head's going spinning into the undergrowth. And that's without involving the four steak knife-like claws on each paw. Could the zombies have wounded it, even mortally? Yes. But what they are not doing is taking it down, not like that and nowhere near that quickly.
I get that it was symbolic. I get that the writers and producers wanted to show Ezekiel robbed of his majesty, delusions and standing. Thing is, they'd already done that. Killing the tiger was unnecessary as well as poorly done. The better decision, IMO, would have been for Shiva to have seen off the zombies before, injured or not, giving Ezekiel a final look before walking away. That moment of rejection - and Ezekiel's grief at it would have been just as poignant - would still have made the point, as well as ridding the series of something that was probably awesome in the comics, but didn't come across well on-screen (not least because they opted to use some of the worst CGI I've seen since Alien 3, and at least A3 has the excuse of having been made in something of a rush 25/26 years ago).

For the most recent ep:
It was the one I'd been dreading: Negan and Gabriel in a portakabin. Yippee. But those fears proved to be somewhat unfounded. Last year, we'd have had nothing but their (eventually interminable) droning for the whole ep. At least this season things have been mixed up a bit, so cutting back and forth actually made it work. And at last Negan gets some flesh added to his bones. It needed doing last season, in fairness, and to some extent I've gone past a point of caring or wanting to know more - the team were obviously in thrall to the character last season and forgot to actually make him a character, thereby wasting Jeffrey Dean Morgan's presence and ability - but the little bit of backstory and insight at least made him slightly more rounded and interesting again. In all honesty, Simon was more like how Negan should have been - that guy screams 'dangerous', and I don't know if that's down to writing, performance or chunks of both - but there you go.
There was still some dumb stuff, though. Daryl and Rick's handbags at 50 paces 'fight' being one (and yes, depending on circumstances guys can and do knock each other about and then move on, friendship bruised but intact. It's pretty rare, but it happens. Women, though, generally tend to bear a grudge - it's why arguments run along the lines of 'WTF did I do?', 'Oh! Like X didn't happen or you never said Y!', 'WTF? That was years ago!'; with men it's over and done almost as soon as it happens (mostly), with women...not so much :biggrin2:), and he subsequent loss of guns and dynamite for plot reasons. The other was Negan and Gabe's Great Escape. Yet again it's the THREAT! THREAT!!...and with a mighty bound they were free BS.

All in all, it's not perfect - way too much dumb stuff - and it's still a long, long way short of S1-S3 or S4, but it has been an improvement on S7.
 

mjs9153

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Suspend belief? I would but I left my suspenders at home! mjs, the walkers are made out of ... what? :barf: Remember when a group was gorging pigs with walker meat then giving the pigs to Negan for his tribute? Apparently with no ill effects to the porkers or their consumers. And there's also Petsmart. :) I'm not kidding here. There's tons of dry dog & cat food out there that would probably remain edible for a decade. And not just for the kitty. In a pinch, I'd be scarfing down some meow mix. Some of that sh!t makes it's own gravy!
Yer right Grin,that's why I was baffled why they were starving in the one episode as they were traveling,I mean how many WalMarts and other huge stores with untold millions of canned foods are out there,if most people are dead from the virus in a few weeks..
Mr Nobody I agree,seasons 1-3 were the best..I am hanging on watching but it seems to have lost it's cachet,at least for me..
 
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I actually sobbed when Shiva died. Same as I did when Abraham and Glenn died. I know she was just CGI but darn it, I loved her character.

I did not enjoy Daryl and Rick fist fighting. I was so worried they were going to completely fall out with each other. I love that they really are like brothers. I hope they stay tight. Is that a man thing, where you can pound the crap out of each other then everything's cool? And they still lost the guns. I'm looking forward to the last three episodes but am worried who is going to be killed off next.

Even good Brothers have a Fight sometimes. The Dialogue, when the
left the Spot tells, everything is Fine.

Gabe is such an Idiot.....
 

Chiana

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I'm interested to see just how things play out with Gabriel. I truly cannot get a read on him. Sometimes I think he is okay and sometimes I wonder if he is going to be the downfall of Rick and the group. I was ticked that he didn't just shoot Negan already, but if he did, that kind of would have been a let down for me. I want to see Daryl, Rick or Maggie give that a-hole what he deserves.

I'm still holding out a tiny bit of hope that Eugene has some sort of master plan he is working on from the inside. That is just the optimist in me.

I tend to make my viewing of this series one where I do suspend disbelief because, well, it IS about zombies after all. =D I'm in it for the entertainment. I'm also all on board for a show that can make me bust out sobbing for the death of its characters, including a CGI tiger.
 

Lepplady

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The fight between Daryl and Rick
Doesn't really worry me. Brothers fight. Daryl used to fight with Merle, but there wasn't anything he wouldn't have done for him. It truly gutted Daryl to put Merle down. If you watch the fight again, pay attention to the end of it. When the explosions started going off, Rick and Daryl helped each other up so they could run to a safe distance. They'll be fine.
Eugene, on the other hand
is a tougher guess. I think he WANTS to be loyal to Rick and his group. When Eugene was talking to Gabriel through the door, Eugene said that traveling together, breaking bread together, fighting with someone makes them brothers. He was saying it in relation to Gabriel in the moment, but the same can be applied to Rick on a greater scale because Rick was the leader.
I believe Eugene has a plan to benefit Rick and company, if possible.
But Eugene is an opportunistic shmuck. If it saves his skin to be loyal to Neegan, he will. If he suspects that Rick will be the victor, I see Eugene jumping ship back to Rick's group, using his plan to ingratiate himself.
For Eugene, I think whoever can keep him safest is who he'll be loyal to.
 

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The bit with the Polaroid kinda took me out of it for a second. Not because he took the time to take a picture in the middle of that poopstorm, but I was wondering how in the hell the film cartridges for that thing hadn't spoiled. Those things have a shelf life! ;;D
So does automotive gas, but they don't care about that, either--LOL
 

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...if they are honestly adapting the graphic novel series as they go along-there should be no dearth of ideas....the line of comics is WAY out in front of the show timeline-wise....I just throw that out there, as a casual walker-errr, watcher and having never read the funny books-I do know how large the pulp lineage is.....
They are CHEWING through the comics, though. If they keep on at this rate, they'll run out of comic material within the next season, two at most.