29% of American Adults are Scientifically Illiterate

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Do vaccines cause autism?

  1. Yes

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  2. No

    24 vote(s)
    88.9%
  1. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    I think there's way more to it - perhaps a link between certain gene carriers and the vaccines, but across the board on the whole, I don't think it's vaccines alone that "cause" autism.

    About the flu vaccine - I have a friend who is a scientist at St. Jude - and they work on the flu vaccine each year. He says it is always a highly educated guess. These things can't be precise. I prefer not to get the shot - I rarely get the flu and when I do my body does a good job keeping me alive. However, my son has asthma, and when he gets sick, it's always 10 x worse than the rest of us - so I do make him get the shot.
     
  2. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Beta/Moderator Moderator

    I've had the flu once (when I was 30, not long after getting over Chicken Pox) and have never had a flu shot. Because of heart issues in the last few years though, I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should.
     
  3. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    I had a splenectomy when I was a kid, so they say I should always get a flu shot. But I've heard varying reports lately pertaining to that need. I haven't heard generally of flu vaccines being dangerous; just not necessarily reliable. Flake, I suggest you ask your doc for an opinion on your needs in this regard.

    Meanwhile, in case you need this...

    Flu shot linked to lower heart attack, stroke risk - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications
     
  4. Haunted

    Haunted My favorite place

    Regarding Gardasil, since three girls have died from it, I would be leery. Maybe three is not a big number, but if it affected your daughter...that would be a big loss.
     
  5. Haunted

    Haunted My favorite place

    THANKS for this article, I printed out for my naysayers in the family.
     
  6. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    Yer welcome!
     
  7. cat in a bag

    cat in a bag Well-Known Member

    I don't believe vaccines cause autism. The only qualms I had about getting the kids their shots was the fever (sometimes) and crankiness (pretty much every time) that inevitably followed.

    I have a cousin who did not vaccinate her kids and then recently panicked because there was an outbreak of something and rushed them all in to get shots. That kind of behavior is irresponsible, in my opinion.
     
  8. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    True but compared to the number of women who have died from cancer caused by the HPV virus which this protects against, the odds would lean toward vaccination for me.
     
  9. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    You too! High five! I loved peeling the whitecaps of peeling paint off the sill, my nose never more than two inches away from the dirty glass! :apple:
     
  10. fushingfeef

    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    I have no doubt many people in this country are not only scientifically illiterate, but logically illiterate as well. It is very hard to have an intelligent conversation, let alone a debate, with someone who cannot think logically.

    The fact that so many things that are generally accepted as scientific fact by the scientific community but are still considered "controversial" in the general media is very discouraging.
     
  11. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    The Earth IS flat if you have a very narrow view.
     
  12. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    Well, actually the Earth is vertical in that case.
     
  13. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    1) I see no valid evidence that autism causes flu shots.

    2) I see plenty of valid evidence that skipping vaccinations opens a kid up to a higher risk of some nasty issues.

    Let's see, what are my choices? Life is so tough sometimes.... I better not vaccinate the kids.

    (Disclaimer: I don't get flu shots, and I don't get the flu. Grandma does get flu shots, and she doesn't get the flu. However, I don't believe we constitute a scientifically valid sampling.)
     
  14. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    Ain't no up or down in this here Unihizzouse yo!
     
  15. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    Seems like the poll could have offered "I don't know" as an option. I do not know. I know more now, maybe. Can we be graded on a curve?
     
  16. ~Ally~

    ~Ally~ Well-Known Member

    Exactly, when I eventually have a child all vaccinations will be given separately. I believe vaccine cocktails are too much for some baby's systems to handle, but I completely agree with vaccinating children...just give the vaccines separately. My niece is one of those babies who had a vaccine cocktail 15-years ago, and following that she became unwell, her general behaviour changed, and she was later diagnosed as autistic. Could there be a link? I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but I do know two other families whose children were also diagnosed as autistic following vaccination from the exact same batch. Maybe coincidence. Maybe not.
     
  17. Charms7

    Charms7 Just Happy To Be Here

    I was rather ambiguous about getting a flu shot. Then, when my mother was alive but elderly, seventy-something, her doctor strongly recommended her getting a flu shot. She did and, the healthy woman she had been, she very nearly died. That event alone gave my ambiguity a violent shove toward never getting a flu shot. I'm sure it helps millions of people, but count me out. Dead is dead. No thank you. On the subject of whether or not vaccinations cause autism, I haven't got a clue. Well, maybe one or two clues, but I have no earthly idea what to do with them.
     
  18. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Ooooh - cookies! I bet they make GREAT cookies!
    Kind of off on a tangent here, but this is one of my favourite cook books:
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    It is Mennonite not Amish but same german roots I believe.
    Food That Really Schmecks by Edna Staebler — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
     
  19. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Yeah, my mom gets both the flu shot and a pneumonia shot, because she has MS (immunosuppressed). I never bother, because I'm basically healthy as a horse. I've had flu twice, felt awful, but recovered just fine. Doesn't seem worth the cost.
     
  20. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    We haven't gone down that road with our kids, but not because of any thought that having it will make them more sexually careless *smdh*. We decided not to, in consultation with our doctor, because it hasn't been around long enough to know what the effect will be down the line.
     

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