Another Malaysian Plane Has Crashed

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by Out of Order, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Lily Sawyer
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    Lily Sawyer Inquisitrice | Author | Mother of Jack

    I'm not surprised. Not that they're stupid - don't get me wrong - but because the Russian separatists are entrenched in often confusing situations, I can see where a passenger jet would accidentally become a target for a trigger-happy, grandstanding idiot.

    I feel horrible for the victims and their families. I can't imagine putting someone on that flight only to learn hours later that it was downed by a missile...or waiting in Kuala Lumpur for a loved one to arrive after months (or years) of separation. So sad.
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  2. GNTLGNT
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...it's all over CNN and they're stating a SAM took it out...I'm just ill....:cry_002:
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    :down: Bloody hell...
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  4. Flat Matt
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    Yet again, innocent people pay with their lives because of a pointless war.

    What a waste of human life.
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  5. SutterKane
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    Tragic. I feel for the folks who lost family today over this B.S.

    Can we just put a rule into place prohibiting civilian flights in this war zone until the conflict is resolved???
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  6. staropeace
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    staropeace Richard Bachman's love child

    They flew that way because it was cheaper. What a price they paid!
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  7. mjs9153
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    With the ground invasion and violence around the Gaza Strip, and this terrible tragedy, the destabilization that is going on in the world is very concerning..not meaning to editorialize, but I think our soft stance on a lot of stuff recently has not helped matters at all..
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  8. Autumn Gust
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    It is not possible for us to police the entire world. We're already involved in two wars and stretched very thin...
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  9. mjs9153
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    not saying we should have to police the entire world. But I'm afraid we are sending some signals to the bad folks in the world that we will not respond to aggression.. And I don't think that is in dispute.
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  10. mjs9153
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    The problem with dealing with bullies is that you cannot be soft with him.. Whether the kid on the block, or someone like Putin or whoever.. Because they will just laugh at you,behind your back or even to your face...I have dealt with bullies professionally for years.. And if you're not willing to set limits, and be strict about enforcing those limits, you'll be continually tested. And I am afraid that recently we just are not taking care of business like we should.. Make no mistake,I am NOT a war hawk, I hate the cost in lives,lost and damaged,by war.Not to mention the money cost.What I am saying here is that perhaps by being perceived as weak, and not being proactive,we may be heading for war,like it or not.. I truly hope that isn't the case, but I am quite concerned..
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  11. Lily Sawyer
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    Lily Sawyer Inquisitrice | Author | Mother of Jack

    As am I. I think between the two events today, Obama and Kerry have their four hands full. They've had to get as much information about both situations as fast as they can, and with the plane crash, I can understand why the U.S hasn't taken action....yet. We'd be blamed for starting something awful if we were wrong, wouldn't we?
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  12. mjs9153
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    not sure what you're saying here I'm not advocating striking anybody as we dont know the facts yet.. All I'm saying is the international situation lately has devolved into a mess..and we seem to be unable to make any kind of headway as far as resolving it..
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  13. Lily Sawyer
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    Lily Sawyer Inquisitrice | Author | Mother of Jack

    No, I'm not advocating taking anyone out for this - retribution will most likely come with (more) economic sanctions against the offender. Yes, it's a mess....and I think there's no coincidence with this having happened in the most disputed territory in the Black Sea area. Something's really rotten in Denmark and stinking all the way to Sweden with this plane that was shot down.

    I'm not sure the U.S. should be involved in this anyway. If there were no Americans on board the flight, we have no reason to get all uptight about it, other than to denounce any terrorist wrongdoing. If there *were* Americans on board, then perhaps a little special ops action would be in order.
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  14. Ebdim9th
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    From what I've heard, there were about 23 Americans on board...
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    Chinese-language Malaysian news sources Sin Chew has released the names of the 15 crew members on board Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. The Kuala Lumpur-bound Boeing 777 airliner crashed in the eastern region of Ukraine, near the Russian border, killing the 295 passengers and crew.


    Captain: Wan Amran Bin Wan Hussin (male, 50 years old)

    Captain: Eugene Choo Jin Leong (male, 45 years old)

    Vice- captain: Ahmad Hakimi Bin Hanapi (male, 29 years old)

    Vice- captain: Muhamad Firdaus Bin Abdul Rahim (male, 27 years old)

    Mohd Ghafar Bin Abu Bakar (male, 54 years old)

    Dora Shamila Binti Kassim (female, 47 years old)

    Azrina Binti Yakob (female, 41 years old)

    Lee Hui Pin (female, 42 years old)

    Mastura Binti Mustafa (female, 40 years old)

    Chong Yee Pheng (female, 40 years old)

    Shaikh Mohd Noor Bin Mahmood (male, 44 years old)

    Sanjid Singh Sandhu (male, 41 years old)

    Hamfazlin Sham Binti Mohamed Arifin (female, 42 years old)

    Nur Shazana Binti Mohamed Salleh (female, 31 years old)

    Angeline Premila Rajandaran (female, 30 years old)

    Malaysian news outlet The Star has separately reported several names on the list in addition to some details of the nationalities of the passengers on board.

    Huib Gorter, vice president of Malaysian Airlines Europe, revealed in a press conference that 154 passengers are from the Netherlands, while 23 Malaysian were also reportedly on board aside from the crew.

    According to Gorter, citizens from the following countries were also on board: 27 from Australia, 11 from Indonesia, six from Great Britain, four from France, four from Germany, four from Belgium, three from the Philippines and one from Canada. The nationalities of an additional 47 passengers were not disclosed, although other reports said there were 23 U.S. citizens aboard.

    China’s embassy in Malaysia announced on social media platform Weibo that no Chinese citizens were on board.


    Another source:
    Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash: 'Six Britons, 23 US citizens and 80 children' feared dead after Boeing passenger jet 'shot down' near Ukraine-Russia border - Europe - World - The Independent
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  16. aussie12
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    makes you wonder if the same thing happened to flight 370 as well, just a different country involved. There's something not right with that flight and now another Malaysian Airlines flight? There's a big cover up and now people will be asking for answers. 28 Australians killed including 3 young children from West Australia.
  17. Spideyman
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    Let us all keep in mind and heart the passengers who lost their lives, their remaining families and friends. Lives have forever been changed in a heartbeat. They need closure.
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  18. Dana Jean
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    Have we heard anything out of Gallina, Mr.Ace, Serhiy Krykun?
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  19. Spideyman
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    In daily touch with Gallina- she's about two hours from Ukraine border. All ok, as of today --- so far! Many refugees.
  20. Dana Jean
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    Dana Jean Beta Tester/Moderator Moderator

    Please forgive my lack of education about the region, I'm not sure how close any of the above are to the area.

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