Automatic weapons

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ghost19

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...we are on the same wavelength then my friend...I thought there was some modification and round differences...

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Great pic. The later versions that were chambered for 5.56 were rolled out with better control of recoil in mind. I've never been in the Russian military but the AK in the video sure looks like some variant. I've shot a basic model AK47 many times and on full auto it definitely jumps on you. Even leaning into it it's tough to keep the barrel from jumping due to just the sheer recoil of thirty 7.62 rounds going down range that fast, going to produce some recoil. On the same note, the M-16 on full auto spits the rounds out at such a high rate of speed, the cyclic rate of the M-16 is quite a bit higher than the AK, but a smaller round coming out faster has the dame effect. You end up shooting at birds in the sky..lol. Whoever the operator in the video is, he definitely knows his business, but that ain't no standard issue AK, I'd bet a fifth of Glenlivet on it.
 

Dima

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Well, good, then. Because my words, as you quoted, were, "I frankly have doubts about being able to keep the target sighted with any handheld automatic weapon while it's firing on full auto." So I'm glad we agree.
Yet there's a video of a person doing just that.
What a dilemma...
Is it computer graphics?
Maybe Cameron had something to do with this?
 
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Dima

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...thanks for the censure of Mr. Kalashnikov...I've watched that damn video a dozen times, and that sure looks like a heavily modified AK to me, using low grain rounds...so yeah, it's possible to keep the muzzle down, especially when they've attached a foregrip to the rail...
It is an automatic weapon or it is not.
What is your pick?
 
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Dima

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Well, I also dinged the bullseye regularly at 500 yards. I'm thinking the AK-47 wasn't so well known for that. However, I've never trained on an AK, so I don't have a basis for comparison. And the M-16 has been replaced in any event.

I frankly have doubts about being able to keep the target sighted with any handheld automatic weapon while it's firing on full auto.
AK doesn't equal AK-47. Just a friendly hint.
 
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Dima

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Why the discussion on fully automatic weapons? As far as I know for the most part, fully automatic guns aren't allowed to be owned by any private citizen in the US. But if it's just in regards to the DT series then I can see it. But a question for Grandpa, the M-16 you fired, was it the old variety with continuious fire or the newer one that only fires in burst of 3 which improves accuracy?
This is a forum on DT series, yes? In which there was a sentiment about how it is impossible to shoot an automatic weapon accurately, yes? So the thread is relevant, kinda?
 
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Dima

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Firing M-16s and the M-60 in the Marines, and I was a very good shot.

I'm not making a definitive statement. It's not a moral issue or fall-on-my-sword argument. I'm giving my impression from my real-life experience. If there are hand-held automatic weapons that have so nicely buffered recoil that the sights and muzzle stay static on target 50, 100, 200 yards downrange during steady firing on full auto, that would be the fact, and that's just grand.
All I'm asking you to do is to open your eyes.
Is it really that difficult?
Is it the Russian prejudice thing?
I just don't get why you wouldn't believe what you see.
Do you think it's a staged shooting or what, please explain.
 
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Dima

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...Длинная-длинная очередь...translates as "Long-long queue"...yep, that just SCREAMS Special Forces...any professional soldier or shooter worth their salt won't fire on full auto unless it's an emergency...any training stresses short bursts for better control and accuracy...AK or no AK...
The guy was test firing a 75 bullet "snail" magazine to see if it jams. Accuracy was just a side bonus. We like to do things thoroughly here.
 
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Dima

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...we are on the same wavelength then my friend...I thought there was some modification and round differences...

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You do realize we like our guns almost as much as you guys do?
It is not AK-47 in the video, nor AK-74, nor AK-12.
AK-104 ftw.
It's not the last one too, we have more for any friends that might decide to drop by.
 
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Walter Oobleck

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Maybe the shooter was aiming for the nose? Who's to know? Who's to nose? I thought I detected a trace of a frown forming in the fabric of his back when he walked up to the target, was it 21-steps? The distance an enraged person can cover in the time it takes to draw, aim (somewhat), and fire? Hey, Dima...are your aware of any Russian stories to-do with the modern army...modern as in the last 50 years? Dostoyevsky is a favorite of mine...read some Boris Akunin, The Winter Queen...that reads almost like a satire on some of Dosty's stuff. Is there anyone writing comic military stories? Say like Heller's Catch-22 if you're familiar with that...or maybe that Good Soldier Svek...I've misspelled the last name there sorry.

*edit...I meant 21-feet, not steps. :(
 
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You've just watched a video of just that and you still frankly have doubts? What does it take to convince you, a blow to the head?
Not to take sides here, but that is one funny comment! :hammer: :rofl:

Um - okay - say sorry - I read the rest of the comments and this was disrespectful - I guess my adolescent funny bone just kicked in temporarily :down:
 
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Grandpa

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All I'm asking you to do is to open your eyes.
Is it really that difficult?
Is it the Russian prejudice thing?
I just don't get why you wouldn't believe what you see.
Do you think it's a staged shooting or what, please explain.
Geez. I was making a general comment that I think it would be hard to keep sights steady on a target while firing at full auto, and I thought you agreed, and I further thought the exchange had come to a successful conclusion.

I don't have prejudice against anyone. The best way I've found to discard prejudice is to evaluate people on their individual merits, and that's what I do.
 

50's Kid

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...thanks for the censure of Mr. Kalashnikov...I've watched that damn video a dozen times, and that sure looks like a heavily modified AK to me, using low grain rounds...so yeah, it's possible to keep the muzzle down, especially when they've attached a foregrip to the rail...
Yeah, I think a clip of full load rounds would be hard to keep on target in a sustained burst. Those might have been practice rounds. Just simple physics; for every action, etc. As one experienced veteran said, that was why they went to the 3 round bursts with the M16. I have an old VHS tape that dispels a lot of Hollywood weapon myths. Great for research purposes, especially with the cost of ammo going up and the availability going down. If I was going into combat, I would be a sniper, choosing a surgical strike over a Rambo suicide charge. Less possible collateral damage that way, too.