Depression, suicide. How is everyone?

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BeverleyMarsh

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I think it's baloney that he apologized because he did it for only one reason and it was the WRONG one. If he'd gotten any response at all for what he DID say he never would have acted all apologetic after it got an unexpected (a surprise for him anyway) response.

When I was 100% Republican, I never watched Fox News, never listened to Rush Limbaugh and never felt evangelical about Christianity, which explains why I'm tired of Stephen King blaming the whole lot of us for being bad Christians without noting that he knows we're not all like that, but that's another story.
I totally agree with the apology being fake and empty.... But I'm not too sure where Stephen King blames the whole lot of us for being bad Christians. Maybe I missed something. Can I ask what you're referring to?
 

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People probably won't like me for saying this but I have to say something anyway.
If they're trying to imply that he killed himself because he found out he had Parkinson's Disease, well that doesn't make sense to me because Michael J. Fox has had that for years and he found out about his when he was in his late 30's.
Nobody said in those words that the discovery of Parkinson's Disease was the reason for the suicide but, as Stephen King said of Wayne LaPierre in 'Guns,' "the implication is hard to miss."
They make a revealing statement and leave it hanging. What else are we supposed to think?
I'm just saying that if he did it for that reason, and everyone's thinking 'I don't blame him, I'd do it too if I found out about Parkinson's,' that I personally don't understand why that's a logical explanation for why he did what he did. Michael J. Fox is the reason I believe you can have a debilitating illness and still be successful.
 
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I totally agree with the apology being fake and empty.... But I'm not too sure where Stephen King blames the whole lot of us for being bad Christians. Maybe I missed something. Can I ask what you're referring to?

In 'Under the Dome' and in 'Mr. Mercedes.' I still like Under the Dome though. He only made one comment in Under the Dome and it seemed to fit right into the story. But in Mr. Mercedes, I don't see how it fits into the unfolding tale he's telling.
 
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BeverleyMarsh

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People probably won't like me for saying this but I have to say something anyway.
If they're trying to imply that he killed himself because he found out he had Parkinson's Disease, well that doesn't make sense to me because Michael J. Fox has had that for years and he found out about his when he was in his late 30's.
Nobody said in those words that the discovery of Parkinson's Disease was the reason for the suicide but, as Stephen King said of Wayne LaPierre in 'Guns,' "the implication is hard to miss."
They make a revealing statement and leave it hanging. What else are we supposed to think?
I'm just saying that if he did it for that reason, and everyone's thinking 'I don't blame him, I'd do it too if I found out about Parkinson's,' that I personally don't understand why that's a logical explanation for why he did what he did. Michael J. Fox is the reason I believe you can have a debilitating illness and still be successful.
I don't see any implications that the "reason" for his suicide was his diagnosis of Parkinson's disease, it's just an information that his wife has released. Robin Williams has always been open about his battle with depression. There are many different factors that could have contributed to his suicide. The treatment he was receiving for PD has also been mentioned. The side effects of the treatment can lead to a greater tendency to suicide. And I suspect a person already suffering from chronic depression would be even more vulnerable to those side effects. It has also been said that the symptoms of Parkinson Disease, in its first stages, itself are depression symptoms . But this is all conjectures, we will never know why it happened.

I always admired Michael J Fox for his courage, in the way he is managing to carry on with his passion for acting despite his debilitating disease. But I find it unwise to compare both cases. Two different human beings aren't necessarily "equal" when faced to such a diagnosis. A lot depends on their psychological make up.
 
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BeverleyMarsh

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In 'Under the Dome' and in 'Mr. Mercedes.' I still like Under the Dome though. He only made one comment in Under the Dome and it seemed to fit right into the story. But in Mr. Mercedes, I don't see how it fits into the unfolding tale he's telling.
As far as I know, these books are works of fiction. Characters hold their personal views. Often Stephen King will lend to his character views which aren't his, and aren't necessarily popular. It just adds realism, I don't interpret them as being Stephen King's personal opinions.
 

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No one will ever know the truth of his final hours on this earth and why he died, and for what reason. Media is just making money and have something to talk about..
I do feel loss, I like him and his movie,s a lot.
Let's just call it his time to depart from this world....arrived.

I imagine, it is realy hard to be a well known person... Look what happened here.... all of the sudden Stephen King was attacked for what he writes in his books. out of nowhere a derail of thoughts..
I was born into this religion, I no longer feel trapped by it and freely view it as something that keeps some chained to misery as they willingly chant... my fault my fault my most grievous fault..
Since we contemplating...
 

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Now that the shock has settled and we have watched the wonderful "things and ways" we have to hold onto, to go back and remember Mr. Williams, the "TALK" about depression has subsided, we aren't thinking about it as much and have went on with our day to day living.... Well MOST of us, others NOT so much....

The temporary feelings of being down and sad over the shocking news have moved to the back of many minds and back to life they go.

For a depressive it doesn't work like that, the days are always long and we trudge through them, forcing ourselves to LIVE and I believe that is what may be a cause.. THE FORCING... it wears you out. Smiling, acting like you are ok, when inside you are not ok, but no one wants to hear it, they have problems of their own, etc.... SO we keep quiet(the depressive person),it's like carrying around say a 10 lb. bag of potatoes, at the end of the day it feels like 50 pounds, you feel weak, your arms hurt, you will be tired of carrying it at the end of the day and you can't wait to put that bag down and feel free of the potatoes. Having the RELIEF of putting the potatoes down makes you feel better, FREE.
A depressive wants the burden of carrying the weight of all of their burdens, worries, and any illness' to let go of them OR the they find a way to make it all go away and at the darkest hour they make think it will all stop if I do this, not necessarily life itself,they just want out of the dark place they have been driven to. The pain to stop.
My sister talked about it like she was going away on a trip, she told me I just want to go away-( never said I want to die)- want to be free to live a normal life. They aren't delusional ( again not saying all are or are not- just my insight an opinion on what I have learned over the past 13 years) more like tunnel vision, they want that light at the end of it, freedom from pain.

I have looked back at my sisters pictures over and over and there is a sadness in her eyes even if she had a smile on her face. After watching the countless interviews of Mr. Williams, I see in him the same quiet sadness in his eyes and in his normal speaking voice, he is soft spoken almost shy like, I know it was no secret about his battles, but I really looked at him and watched him in a different way after his passing and it's saddening to the point of being heart breaking to see. The last few episodes I watched of his latest sitcom, THE CRAZY ONES, he didn't have much spark and spunk in his character or his own face and eyes.

** I am just giving you my insight of how I have come to understand such a loss and in no way based on any facts, very few are saved and if they are- they are angry because they didn't want saved ( I talked with a lady who lost her daughter after two attempts and what she could get out of her daughter of why she was trying to die, surprisingly her answer to her mom was I don't want to die- I just want it all to stop, don't you get it? )

I'm going to leave you with this to read over and think about, I'm no DR., Psychiatrist an certainly no expert. Just hoping to help, in any little way I can.
It's 3 a.m. I need to get to bed now...
HUGS and LOVE and LIGHT to ALL ♥
 

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Now that the shock has settled and we have watched the wonderful "things and ways" we have to hold onto, to go back and remember Mr. Williams, the "TALK" about depression has subsided, we aren't thinking about it as much and have went on with our day to day living.... Well MOST of us, others NOT so much....

The temporary feelings of being down and sad over the shocking news have moved to the back of many minds and back to life they go.

For a depressive it doesn't work like that, the days are always long and we trudge through them, forcing ourselves to LIVE and I believe that is what may be a cause.. THE FORCING... it wears you out. Smiling, acting like you are ok, when inside you are not ok, but no one wants to hear it, they have problems of their own, etc.... SO we keep quiet(the depressive person),it's like carrying around say a 10 lb. bag of potatoes, at the end of the day it feels like 50 pounds, you feel weak, your arms hurt, you will be tired of carrying it at the end of the day and you can't wait to put that bag down and feel free of the potatoes. Having the RELIEF of putting the potatoes down makes you feel better, FREE.
A depressive wants the burden of carrying the weight of all of their burdens, worries, and any illness' to let go of them OR the they find a way to make it all go away and at the darkest hour they make think it will all stop if I do this, not necessarily life itself,they just want out of the dark place they have been driven to. The pain to stop.
My sister talked about it like she was going away on a trip, she told me I just want to go away-( never said I want to die)- want to be free to live a normal life. They aren't delusional ( again not saying all are or are not- just my insight an opinion on what I have learned over the past 13 years) more like tunnel vision, they want that light at the end of it, freedom from pain.

I have looked back at my sisters pictures over and over and there is a sadness in her eyes even if she had a smile on her face. After watching the countless interviews of Mr. Williams, I see in him the same quiet sadness in his eyes and in his normal speaking voice, he is soft spoken almost shy like, I know it was no secret about his battles, but I really looked at him and watched him in a different way after his passing and it's saddening to the point of being heart breaking to see. The last few episodes I watched of his latest sitcom, THE CRAZY ONES, he didn't have much spark and spunk in his character or his own face and eyes.

** I am just giving you my insight of how I have come to understand such a loss and in no way based on any facts, very few are saved and if they are- they are angry because they didn't want saved ( I talked with a lady who lost her daughter after two attempts and what she could get out of her daughter of why she was trying to die, surprisingly her answer to her mom was I don't want to die- I just want it all to stop, don't you get it? )

I'm going to leave you with this to read over and think about, I'm no DR., Psychiatrist an certainly no expert. Just hoping to help, in any little way I can.
It's 3 a.m. I need to get to bed now...
HUGS and LOVE and LIGHT to ALL ♥
...so very well said honey, absolutely amazing....
 

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Now that the shock has settled and we have watched the wonderful "things and ways" we have to hold onto, to go back and remember Mr. Williams, the "TALK" about depression has subsided, we aren't thinking about it as much and have went on with our day to day living.... Well MOST of us, others NOT so much....

The temporary feelings of being down and sad over the shocking news have moved to the back of many minds and back to life they go.

For a depressive it doesn't work like that, the days are always long and we trudge through them, forcing ourselves to LIVE and I believe that is what may be a cause.. THE FORCING... it wears you out. Smiling, acting like you are ok, when inside you are not ok, but no one wants to hear it, they have problems of their own, etc.... SO we keep quiet(the depressive person),it's like carrying around say a 10 lb. bag of potatoes, at the end of the day it feels like 50 pounds, you feel weak, your arms hurt, you will be tired of carrying it at the end of the day and you can't wait to put that bag down and feel free of the potatoes. Having the RELIEF of putting the potatoes down makes you feel better, FREE.
A depressive wants the burden of carrying the weight of all of their burdens, worries, and any illness' to let go of them OR the they find a way to make it all go away and at the darkest hour they make think it will all stop if I do this, not necessarily life itself,they just want out of the dark place they have been driven to. The pain to stop.
My sister talked about it like she was going away on a trip, she told me I just want to go away-( never said I want to die)- want to be free to live a normal life. They aren't delusional ( again not saying all are or are not- just my insight an opinion on what I have learned over the past 13 years) more like tunnel vision, they want that light at the end of it, freedom from pain.

I have looked back at my sisters pictures over and over and there is a sadness in her eyes even if she had a smile on her face. After watching the countless interviews of Mr. Williams, I see in him the same quiet sadness in his eyes and in his normal speaking voice, he is soft spoken almost shy like, I know it was no secret about his battles, but I really looked at him and watched him in a different way after his passing and it's saddening to the point of being heart breaking to see. The last few episodes I watched of his latest sitcom, THE CRAZY ONES, he didn't have much spark and spunk in his character or his own face and eyes.

** I am just giving you my insight of how I have come to understand such a loss and in no way based on any facts, very few are saved and if they are- they are angry because they didn't want saved ( I talked with a lady who lost her daughter after two attempts and what she could get out of her daughter of why she was trying to die, surprisingly her answer to her mom was I don't want to die- I just want it all to stop, don't you get it? )

I'm going to leave you with this to read over and think about, I'm no DR., Psychiatrist an certainly no expert. Just hoping to help, in any little way I can.
It's 3 a.m. I need to get to bed now...
HUGS and LOVE and LIGHT to ALL ♥


Such wise observations, Tracy. You are spot on. You see what many do not see. Thank you for the post.
 

AnnaMarie

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After watching the countless interviews of Mr. Williams, I see in him the same quiet sadness in his eyes and in his normal speaking voice, he is soft spoken almost shy like, I know it was no secret about his battles, but I really looked at him and watched him in a different way after his passing and it's saddening to the point of being heart breaking to see.

I saw that in his eyes all along. In fact, it's that same look with many comedians. It's one of the reasons it terrified me when one of my son's was heading towards being a comedian. He was always hilarious, and always "ON". And after a performance it really plays with your emotions. Your still "UP" but you're not on stage any more. You have to get down and be yourself. Not always easy. There's a "let down" in a much stronger way than from a musical performance. I'm not blaming comedy. I think people suffering depression, and various related issues (bi-polar and ADHD for example) are often drawn to comedy.

It makes sense. When you are sad and depressed, people are there for a bit, then they start turning away. Thinking (accusing?) a person of causing their own sadness. ~~~get over it~~~cheer up~~~if you act happy you will feel happy~~~ and so they do. They act happy. They pretend. Because they don't want to be alone.