Disney is going for some controversy with new Beauty & Beast movie

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Oh, yes, me too! And certainly, I didn't mean that he must be acting like that because of being gay, but just that maybe he would be in such deep denial about it, living in a small town that expected him to be such a perfect "manly man," that his personality ended up being crazy and over-the-top. To think, instead of ending up dead, he could've just married Le Fou and everyone would live happily ever after. :okay:

SPOILER ALERT!!!! LOL
 

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Well, seeing as how there hasn't been anything like this in a 'Disney' movie (The Birdcage doesn't count here), it is something worth mentioning. I, too, long for the day when there isn't a label put in front of a character or person i.e. a black person, an Asian person, a gay person, etc. We're all people, right? ;-D
My daughter has felt this way since she was little. She always says she doesn't understand all the fussing over the "people labels", because when it comes down to it, we are all just people, plain and simple. She has had some personal experience, as her best friend in sixth grade came out as identifying as a male.....if you think it's hard coming out as an adult, just imagine how it is coming out as a 12 year old in a Southern redneck town.
 

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SPOILER ALERT!!!! LOL
Whoopsie! Sorry! ;)

Is this actually intended as a "children's" movie?

Seems the vocal objection is that a gay scene is being " forced" onto children. But the way Emma was (almost) dressed to promote the movie didn't look very child friendly. Well...unless the children are very young and hungry, if you know what I mean. ;)

Please don't misunderstand. I do not object to what she was wearing. It just did not look like something appropriate for a "children's" movie tour.
Well, to be fair, Belle had a respectable decolletage in the original animated version, too, lol.
 

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Why does the fact they show a gay character have to be addressing an issue? Why can't it just be a character that is something that is common and normal in life?

Not everything is a statement. Why does everyone have to assume it is an overt attempt at propaganda and not just a character in a movie and that's it? I think that's more of a problem than anything else. It indicates those with this opinion aren't as evolved as they may think.
 

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Why does the fact they show a gay character have to be addressing an issue? Why can't it just be a character that is something that is common and normal in life?

Not everything is a statement. Why does everyone have to assume it is an overt attempt at propaganda and not just a character in a movie and that's it? I think that's more of a problem than anything else. It indicates those with this opinion aren't as evolved as they may think.
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Why does the fact they show a gay character have to be addressing an issue? Why can't it just be a character that is something that is common and normal in life?

Not everything is a statement. Why does everyone have to assume it is an overt attempt at propaganda and not just a character in a movie and that's it? I think that's more of a problem than anything else. It indicates those with this opinion aren't as evolved as they may think.
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I'm reminded of the recent sequel to Independence Day with Brent Spiner's character revealed to be gay. When I saw it I didn't think "Why are they trying to make a statement about being gay is OK?". I thought "What does his relationship have to do with this plot at all really?" But man did the right have a fit, and I am somewhat sure the makers were trying to make a statement.

But that's my point. The people who DO need that statement made to them, reject it wholesale BEFORE it's even uttered. So for whom are these statements being made? Those of us who couldn't care less about someone's sex life don't need it, and those who reject will continue to do so. So who is this addressing is always my question when/if this issue arises in whatever social justice context. Perhaps gay people afraid to come out? I don't know. I hate to suspect that perhaps some are doing it out of self indulgence as that is perhaps the most diminishing thing one could do towards that issue.

Can't we just accept there are gay people in the world and that they are part of society and thus will appear in artistic expressions of all types? Art is only valid in so far as its statement about the human condition.
 

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I watched a preview for this, and having grown up watching Disney's Beauty and the Beast, (I can still quote about 98% of the movie by heart), it kind of annoys me that this is even a movie. If they were going to do a live action version, I would much rather them have emulated the actual fairytale instead of copying the animated one. It seems like they have to recycle everything after xx number of years. (They're redoing Ducktales, too, which REALLY makes my eye twitch.)

Insofar as who's gay or straight, I could not care an iota less. It seems like Disney's trying to hard to point it out. Like, LOOK AT US! WE'RE NOT BIGOTS! or something, which kinda makes them look more bigoted.... Incidentally I remember wondering if Lefou was a bit in love with Gaston myself as a kid.
 

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If they were going to do a live action version, I would much rather them have emulated the actual fairytale instead of copying the animated one. It seems like they have to recycle everything after xx number of years. (They're redoing Ducktales, too, which REALLY makes my eye twitch.)
I agree, I thought at first that this would be a darker take on it where we would find out more background about the characters, especially the Prince/Beast. Now I'm hearing reviews that it is a total copy of the original. I'm sure I'll still think it's great, but man, that was a missed opportunity.

Why, oh WHY would they feel the need to redo Ducktales?!?

It seems like Disney's trying to hard to point it out. Like, LOOK AT US! WE'RE NOT BIGOTS! or something, which kinda makes them look more bigoted....
I know they are always being criticized for something. They got a lot of flack for not having diversity in their princess lineup, so they added Tiana (black) and Elena (latina). And more recently, there has been a big push by some communities to make Elsa gay in the upcoming Frozen sequel. So I guess it's a tough situation they're in, but yes, to the innocent bystander, the Le Fou thing definitely looks like tokenism.
 

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Is this actually intended as a "children's" movie?

Seems the vocal objection is that a gay scene is being " forced" onto children. But the way Emma was (almost) dressed to promote the movie didn't look very child friendly. Well...unless the children are very young and hungry, if you know what I mean. ;)

Please don't misunderstand. I do not object to what she was wearing. It just did not look like something appropriate for a "children's" movie tour.

I also don't object to a character in a Disney movie being gay. A kiss is fine. I don't think children need to be exposed to scenes beyond kissing, whether gay or hetero, but kissing, holding hands, showing love, is fine.

Apparently the article I first read tied the picture and the movie tour directly together. Reading more articles, I don't think it actually is. She did a photo shoot with a magazine. (Vanity Fair I think?) and she has a movie coming out. Two separate things. So...I withdraw any complaint I had.

Why does the fact they show a gay character have to be addressing an issue? Why can't it just be a character that is something that is common and normal in life?

Not everything is a statement. Why does everyone have to assume it is an overt attempt at propaganda and not just a character in a movie and that's it? I think that's more of a problem than anything else. It indicates those with this opinion aren't as evolved as they may think.

It is rewriting a character. I think that might be an issue to some. (I objected when a gay character who turned out to be an unwilling hero was rewritten as a hetero soldier.)

Your post just reminded me of something....must go find at YouTube.
 

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Why does the fact they show a gay character have to be addressing an issue? Why can't it just be a character that is something that is common and normal in life?

Not everything is a statement. Why does everyone have to assume it is an overt attempt at propaganda and not just a character in a movie and that's it? I think that's more of a problem than anything else. It indicates those with this opinion aren't as evolved as they may think.

Reminded me of this. Sorry, couldn't find a clip of just the scene. About a minute in, Cam & Mitch.
 

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Is this actually intended as a "children's" movie?

Seems the vocal objection is that a gay scene is being " forced" onto children. But the way Emma was (almost) dressed to promote the movie didn't look very child friendly. Well...unless the children are very young and hungry, if you know what I mean. ;)

Please don't misunderstand. I do not object to what she was wearing. It just did not look like something appropriate for a "children's" movie tour.

I also don't object to a character in a Disney movie being gay. A kiss is fine. I don't think children need to be exposed to scenes beyond kissing, whether gay or hetero, but kissing, holding hands, showing love, is fine.
Reminds me of how the original Batman II (the Burton one with Catwoman and Penguin) was released and promoted as a kids movie which it certainly isn't. Some of the things that the Penguin says is not for kids. 'I'm gonna show her my French Flipper trick!' :O_O:
 

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My daughter has felt this way since she was little. She always says she doesn't understand all the fussing over the "people labels", because when it comes down to it, we are all just people, plain and simple. She has had some personal experience, as her best friend in sixth grade came out as identifying as a male.....if you think it's hard coming out as an adult, just imagine how it is coming out as a 12 year old in a Southern redneck town.
I hope that you will keep an eye out for this child and let them know that it's okay for them to be 'different'. We're all alittle different anyway......;-D
 

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Well, I don't think kids (or adults, for that matter) should be exposed to this sort of rubbish. Not talking about whether or not any character is gay--in this day and age, honestly, who gives a crap? No...by rubbish, I mean this sort of CGI-heavy rehashed Disney blech-fest. I mean...bleeeech.

You want a cool B and B movie? Dig the creepy 1946 version directed by the French poet and surrealist Jean Cocteau. Now that, cats, is some ground breaking cinema.

The Beast's face still looks stupid, though.
 

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I thought my daughter had an interesting response when this came up on FB. I asked her permission to quote her response:

I am gay and I think this is a horrible representation for us. Making the fat, stupid secondary villain slavishly obsessed with the lead, a muscular straight man who treats him like garbage, is a tired homophobic trope that dates back to the 1800s. Le Fou, literally translated to 'the fool', is a giant joke of a character and the gay community deserves more than a punchline with no impact on the plot if it has to happen at all."
 

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Well, I don't think kids (or adults, for that matter) should be exposed to this sort of rubbish. Not talking about whether or not any character is gay--in this day and age, honestly, who gives a crap? No...by rubbish, I mean this sort of CGI-heavy rehashed Disney blech-fest. I mean...bleeeech.

You want a cool B and B movie? Dig the creepy 1946 version directed by the French poet and surrealist Jean Cocteau. Now that, cats, is some ground breaking cinema.

The Beast's face still looks stupid, though.
Agreed. It looks like boring garbage, in general :) Do you know if the Jean Cocteau version is on Open Culture (or some other way free)?
 

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I thought my daughter had an interesting response when this came up on FB. I asked her permission to quote her response:

I am gay and I think this is a horrible representation for us. Making the fat, stupid secondary villain slavishly obsessed with the lead, a muscular straight man who treats him like garbage, is a tired homophobic trope that dates back to the 1800s. Le Fou, literally translated to 'the fool', is a giant joke of a character and the gay community deserves more than a punchline with no impact on the plot if it has to happen at all."
With all due respect, skimom2, there's also the other end of the spectrum of the beautiful, muscular gay man who is a flaming b*tch to other gay men, so I guess either way we can't win. :eyebrow:
 

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I hope that you will keep an eye out for this child and let them know that it's okay for them to be 'different'. We're all alittle different anyway......;-D
You bet I'll help look out for this kid. In 8th grade when my daughter was being bullied and had begun cutting herself, this friend stepped in and made sure my child was safe at scool and had a friend to sit with at lunch. They still have sleepovers at my house, and is the first person my daughter invites on day trips, etc. Sometimes, I get mixed up and call him by his female name instead of the male name he chose, but this kid knows I genuinely care and that I'm sincere in my acceptance. Every day when I pick up my daughter from school, she always tells me her friend says hi and loves me. That's a pretty good feeling.
 

kingricefan

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You bet I'll help look out for this kid. In 8th grade when my daughter was being bullied and had begun cutting herself, this friend stepped in and made sure my child was safe at scool and had a friend to sit with at lunch. They still have sleepovers at my house, and is the first person my daughter invites on day trips, etc. Sometimes, I get mixed up and call him by his female name instead of the male name he chose, but this kid knows I genuinely care and that I'm sincere in my acceptance. Every day when I pick up my daughter from school, she always tells me her friend says hi and loves me. That's a pretty good feeling.

Yes, it is a good feeling. And it's compounded 100X on his side from you! You're a blessing! (((Sunny)))