Documentaries

[VultureLvr45]

In the past few weeks I watched a docudrama on Jonestown and Nova:Who Killed Lindbergh's Baby? both on Netflix. I honestly didn't know much about either topic. The Jonestown story broke my heart-what lengths people will go to for acceptance and a sense of belonging. And I think Lindbergh himself had more to do with the kidnapping of his child than people realize. There are many theories out there, that's just my opinion!

I remember the Jonestown thing on the news early in my teen years..sicko bastid. Wonder if any of his kids are alive? In the end, he didn't drink the poison but asked one of his guards to shoot him.

Dr. Henry Lee is a famous Forensic Scientist. He has a really interesting theory about the Lindbergh baby. (and several other high profile cases) You may want to check out his website.

 

[morgan]

I remember the Jonestown thing on the news early in my teen years..sicko bastid. Wonder if any of his kids are alive? In the end, he didn't drink the poison but asked one of his guards to shoot him.

Dr. Henry Lee is a famous Forensic Scientist. He has a really interesting theory about the Lindbergh baby. (and several other high profile cases) You may want to check out his website.

Actually, Jones's son was in the docu...can you imagine living that down?! And, thanks-I will check out that website!

 

[Dana Jean]

I watched Captivated: The Trials of Pamela Smart

I still think she got the kids to kill her husband. She explains the tapes and everything, but I don't believe her. She is just too cold. Flat affect throughout everything. And yes, I know everyone has their way of dealing with things, but her flat affect and just blah attitude about it all sealed the deal for me.

She looks like a bad bar fly stuck in the 70s.

 

[Dana Jean]

I watched Serial Killer Culture about collectors and artists who create their own, buy, trade infamous prisoner's artwork and memorabilia or murderbilia.

A part of me hates this. I hate that they are elevated to this almost celebrity status. It's a slap in the face to victims and survivors and families. Although, supposedly they can't really do anything with the money they make. And a lot of this was before the Son of Sam laws, but even then, in the case of John Wayne Gacy, he couldn't "sell" his stuff, but he had visitors (one being his art dealer) who would come to the prison on visiting day and Gacy would "gift" his paintings to the dealer who would then sell the crap and "gift" money into his prison account. Those son of sam laws didn't really do sh*t in that regard. And I'm sure if any of these weirdos had family that they wanted to support, I'm sure there was money funneled to them as a "gift" through the sale of the artwork.

A part of me though does understand the curious historical nature of these pieces. I wouldn't be a collector though.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

 

[HollyGolightly]

I watched Serial Killer Culture about collectors and artists who create their own, buy, trade infamous prisoner's artwork and memorabilia or murderbilia.

A part of me hates this. I hate that they are elevated to this almost celebrity status. It's a slap in the face to victims and survivors and families. Although, supposedly they can't really do anything with the money they make. And a lot of this was before the Son of Sam laws, but even then, in the case of John Wayne Gacy, he couldn't "sell" his stuff, but he had visitors (one being his art dealer) who would come to the prison on visiting day and Gacy would "gift" his paintings to the dealer who would then sell the crap and "gift" money into his prison account. Those son of sam laws didn't really do sh*t in that regard. And I'm sure if any of these weirdos had family that they wanted to support, I'm sure there was money funneled to them as a "gift" through the sale of the artwork.

A part of me though does understand the curious historical nature of these pieces. I wouldn't be a collector though.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

Serial killers and their stories scare the pants off of me. I'm shocked that people admit to collecting their art and memorabilia. I'd like a list of names and locations of these collectors so I can steer clear. It makes me wonder what their fascination is. It makes me a little afraid of them. I could see if you are in the art business, buying and selling their work might be profitable, but to actually have those things in your own home.... it gives me the heebie jeebies. It can't be good for the soul.

 

[Dana Jean]

Serial killers and their stories scare the pants off of me. I'm shocked that people admit to collecting their art and memorabilia. I'd like a list of names and locations of these collectors so I can steer clear. It makes me wonder what their fascination is. It makes me a little afraid of them. I could see if you are in the art business, buying and selling their work might be profitable, but to actually have those things in your own home.... it gives me the heebie jeebies. It can't be good for the soul.

agree

 

[Lily Sawyer]

I watched Good Hair. I dig Chris Rock - he speaks the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help him God - and then some - and while it was billed as a comedy, it really was a documentary. I loved it.

 

[morgan]

I watched Serial Killer Culture about collectors and artists who create their own, buy, trade infamous prisoner's artwork and memorabilia or murderbilia.

A part of me hates this. I hate that they are elevated to this almost celebrity status. It's a slap in the face to victims and survivors and families. Although, supposedly they can't really do anything with the money they make. And a lot of this was before the Son of Sam laws, but even then, in the case of John Wayne Gacy, he couldn't "sell" his stuff, but he had visitors (one being his art dealer) who would come to the prison on visiting day and Gacy would "gift" his paintings to the dealer who would then sell the crap and "gift" money into his prison account. Those son of sam laws didn't really do sh*t in that regard. And I'm sure if any of these weirdos had family that they wanted to support, I'm sure there was money funneled to them as a "gift" through the sale of the artwork.

A part of me though does understand the curious historical nature of these pieces. I wouldn't be a collector though.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

The curiosity is understandable, but murderers making profits that benefit them in any way is inexcusable. I completely agree-it is a slap in the face to the victims and families.

 

[swiftdog2.0]

Unearthed & Untold: The Path to Pet Sematary | Coolidge Corner Theatre Foundation

Coming to Coolidge Corner Theater in MA. Not sure where else you can see it, though.

 

[Dana Jean]

My Kid Could Paint That -- This was about that kid who was selling paintings for thousands of dollars, Marla Olmstead. She's around 15 now, I wish they would revisit this story. Her father was accused of tweaking her paintings.

 

[Sigmund]

Children Born of Rape and Incest.

It was though provoking.


Peace.

 

[Sigmund]

I watched Serial Killer Culture about collectors and artists who create their own, buy, trade infamous prisoner's artwork and memorabilia or murderbilia.

A part of me hates this. I hate that they are elevated to this almost celebrity status. It's a slap in the face to victims and survivors and families. Although, supposedly they can't really do anything with the money they make. And a lot of this was before the Son of Sam laws, but even then, in the case of John Wayne Gacy, he couldn't "sell" his stuff, but he had visitors (one being his art dealer) who would come to the prison on visiting day and Gacy would "gift" his paintings to the dealer who would then sell the crap and "gift" money into his prison account. Those son of sam laws didn't really do sh*t in that regard. And I'm sure if any of these weirdos had family that they wanted to support, I'm sure there was money funneled to them as a "gift" through the sale of the artwork.

A part of me though does understand the curious historical nature of these pieces. I wouldn't be a collector though.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

Hi.

I think you know I study serial killers because I hope to work in the forensic field of profiling. (I do still have that dream.) I have not watched this doc.and maybe I will be able to in the near future.

I kinda/sorta understand why people would like to buy serial killers artwork and memorabilia. And yes they *may* be curious historical pieces but if I were a gazzlionaire I still would not buy them. I think any psychological insight they could give could be found in a reproduction. (Although, studying the actual artwork could give other information such as brush strokes, layers of paint and *mistakes* they tried to *fix* or *hide* would be valuable.)

It reminds me of the serial killer trading cards. I could not understand that at all. But that's just me.

If that made any sense.

BTW: when I had a textbook I was studying/carrying regarding murder and mayhem and people (co-workers, strangers in a doctors office, on line...just out and about) would read the title of the textbook and ask me why I was reading THAT!!!
They would then ask to see the book and flip through it and go straight to the images/photos and closely study them making faces and uttering noises of disgust. They would then hand it back at me and give me looks of distaste.
(He11. I'm studying it because I hope to find/catch the murderer and give the victims family some sort of closure. What are THEY doing gawking at the images?)

(I totally freaked up this post. I hope you can make some sense of it.)

Have a great evening a wonderful week.

Peace.

 

[Dana Jean]

Hi.

I think you know I study serial killers because I hope to work in the forensic field of profiling. (I do still have that dream.) I have not watched this doc.and maybe I will be able to in the near future.

I kinda/sorta understand why people would like to buy serial killers artwork and memorabilia. And yes they *may* be curious historical pieces but if I were a gazzlionaire I still would not buy them. I think any psychological insight they could give could be found in a reproduction. (Although, studying the actual artwork could give other information such as brush strokes, layers of paint and *mistakes* they tried to *fix* or *hide* would be valuable.)

It reminds me of the serial killer trading cards. I could not understand that at all. But that's just me.

If that made any sense.

BTW: when I had a textbook I was studying/carrying regarding murder and mayhem and people (co-workers, strangers in a doctors office, on line...just out and about) would read the title of the textbook and ask me why I was reading THAT!!!
They would then ask to see the book and flip through it and go straight to the images/photos and closely study them making faces and uttering noises of disgust. They would then hand it back at me and give me looks of distaste.
(He11. I'm studying it because I hope to find/catch the murderer and give the victims family some sort of closure. What are THEY doing gawking at the images?)

(I totally freaked up this post. I hope you can make some sense of it.)

Have a great evening a wonderful week.

Peace.

No, I totally understand what you're saying. Although they are wicked distasteful people, there is a fascination with them. But I would never judge someone because of their reading material. That's crazy. I read lots of stuff that I agree and disagree with.

 

[Sigmund]

Dana Jean

Did you see this?

Jack The Ripper 'Identified By DNA Breakthrough' As Aaron Kominski

It's interesting but I do believe I will wait until I die and go to heaven 'cause my heaven will have a cool, goodie-roonie computer where I can look up all the the stuff I wonder about. And I WILL KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

Yay!

Peace.

 

[Dana Jean]

Dana Jean

Did you see this?

Jack The Ripper 'Identified By DNA Breakthrough' As Aaron Kominski

It's interesting but I do believe I will wait until I die and go to heaven 'cause my heaven will have a cool, goodie-roonie computer where I can look up all the the stuff I wonder about. And I WILL KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

Yay!

Peace.

I wonder if this is really true? Patricia Cornwell did her book and used mitrochondrial DNA from envelopes from the Ripper Letters to determine it was a guy named Sickert. I wonder if she has commented?

 

[skimom2]

Have y'all read the story? Being as the initial source is the Daily Mail (Britain's National Enquirer), I suggest it's taken with a truckload of salt. The 'researcher' is an amateur with a few friends with ties to labs. And the 'proof' is based upon DNA obtained from the shawl of a murdered lady of the evening in the poorest part of London. Know where they plied their trade? Largely in the street. Anything found on that shawl could have quite literally come from anywhere. Plus, it's been handed around for a hundred years--contamination is likely in any case. No one would ever go to jail on the strength of the case as presented in the story.

Don't get me wrong--I think Kominski probably did it, but they made a stronger case for him as the killer on the Brit TV show called Whitechapel than based upon this research.

 

[skimom2]

I watched Serial Killer Culture about collectors and artists who create their own, buy, trade infamous prisoner's artwork and memorabilia or murderbilia.

A part of me hates this. I hate that they are elevated to this almost celebrity status. It's a slap in the face to victims and survivors and families. Although, supposedly they can't really do anything with the money they make. And a lot of this was before the Son of Sam laws, but even then, in the case of John Wayne Gacy, he couldn't "sell" his stuff, but he had visitors (one being his art dealer) who would come to the prison on visiting day and Gacy would "gift" his paintings to the dealer who would then sell the crap and "gift" money into his prison account. Those son of sam laws didn't really do sh*t in that regard. And I'm sure if any of these weirdos had family that they wanted to support, I'm sure there was money funneled to them as a "gift" through the sale of the artwork.

A part of me though does understand the curious historical nature of these pieces. I wouldn't be a collector though.

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

I just watched this tonight. The curiosity factor for me is in the people who are fascinated by this stuff. They should be studied. The things attached to a serial killer… eh. Not interested at all. I don't know what paying any attention to their 'art', or writing, or murderbilia gains us as a culture--we already know they are twisted. Any further interest just plays into fantasies that they are important. I agree with you, though, that them being able to distribute their crap in any way is disgusting and insulting to their victims.

 

[Dana Jean]

I just watched this tonight. The curiosity factor for me is in the people who are fascinated by this stuff. They should be studied. The things attached to a serial killer… eh. Not interested at all. I don't know what paying any attention to their 'art', or writing, or murderbilia gains us as a culture--we already know they are twisted. Any further interest just plays into fantasies that they are important. I agree with you, though, that them being able to distribute their crap in any way is disgusting and insulting to their victims.

I just can't imagine wanting to own a piece of such a vile person by purchasing their art. But that's me. I do find serial killers fascinating though. What happened to them to make them so evil? Nature, nurture -- what? Reading about them is interesting to me, but even that is a slap in the face of the victims and their families. They should be fried and forgotten about. (Yes, I do believe in the death penalty in these cases. And justice should be meted out quickly. None of this appeal crap for those proven serial killers.)

 

[skimom2]

I just can't imagine wanting to own a piece of such a vile person by purchasing their art. But that's me. I do find serial killers fascinating though. What happened to them to make them so evil? Nature, nurture -- what? Reading about them is interesting to me, but even that is a slap in the face of the victims and their families. They should be fried and forgotten about. (Yes, I do believe in the death penalty in these cases. And justice should be meted out quickly. None of this appeal crap for those proven serial killers.)

There are so many theories about where that impulse comes from; most boil down to a combination of organic brain damage and how they're raised. But does that explain a Bundy? Not really. Very intelligent, good family, but still a killer. One study I read found strong correlation between the killer's relationship with his/her father to be a predictor.

I'm on the fence about the death penalty. If the person is caught in the act (or like Dahmer, with the evidence right in his own fridge), I have no problem with swift retribution, but when it's a more circumstantial case I'm cautious. They've cleared so many people years later that I have to fall on the side of imprisonment.

 

[Dana Jean]

There are so many theories about where that impulse comes from; most boil down to a combination of organic brain damage and how they're raised. But does that explain a Bundy? Not really. Very intelligent, good family, but still a killer. One study I read found strong correlation between the killer's relationship with his/her father to be a predictor.

I'm on the fence about the death penalty. If the person is caught in the act (or like Dahmer, with the evidence right in his own fridge), I have no problem with swift retribution, but when it's a more circumstantial case I'm cautious. They've cleared so many people years later that I have to fall on the side of imprisonment.

I'm not talking about circumstantial cases. I agree with you. There are too many put to death that real evidence later exonerate. I find that very frightening. I'm talking these serial killers. When John Wayne Gacy has a marching band of boys under his house, yep, you die. etc...