Dr Sleep and AA

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  1. Jim M
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    The book Alcoholics Anonymous lists the 12 steps and 12 traditions. These are universal based on the book.
    Certainly there may be regional differences in meeting procedures, or customs, however the Big Book is the same regardless of where it is used.

    You can check the steps and traditions on line if you are interested in checking it out.

    Jim M 33 years sober.
  2. AnnaMarie
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    She said region, not religion.
  3. Christiane17
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    Christiane17 Salvation lets their wings unfold

    I just want to add that the Big Book is indeed the same not matter what part of the world you stand, but sometimes people with different mentalities and ways of thinking could see things different ways. Another thing, some folks are reluctant of mentionning God as their higher power, but that doesn't mean they think God doesn't exist. The power could be within yourself and it's the faith you have in your own willpower that makes the difference sometimes, just saying. Anyway, whatever is the power you believe in, the important thing is that you feel that there is an existing power, and that you use it when ever needed.
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    You got that right. I had a job with a family that was evangelistic one summer. They were always saying "Praise Jesus, Hallelujah, Amen" etc. out loud at their church which I found weird, being raised Catholic.

    I asked why did they always have to go on and on about Jesus being the Son of God. I said "That is like saying the sky is blue, or the grass is green".
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  5. Chuggs
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    I don't under stand why someone would care one way or another about AA's religious underpinning, so long as the thing works. People need to get over themselves. Help is help.
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    I agree with you, I was not put off at all. And I mean hey, characters are like us, not perfect at all. Some drink too much, or cuss too much, or are perverted. Anything that is in us is in them.
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    If an atheist is an alcoholic who wants the help of AA to stop drinking, it would matter a great deal to the. If they are atheist (or agnostic or Jewish, or anything other then Christian) they do not want to feel pressured to either be Christian or pretend to be.

    While reading this I suddenly flashed on a memory of Nick Wallenda crossing Niagara Falls. He talks almost non-stop, and there was a lot of "thank you Jesus" but sometimes he would suddenly say "Oh God! " in a way that sounded more like swearing than praying. (I do think he was saying it as prayer, but it just for a moment sounded more like he was swearing.)
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  8. Jim M
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    Hi Folks,

    I don't want to turn this into an AA meeting but I thought I would offer some further thoughts on the " Higher Power "
    AA does not require or insist that one has to believe in anything. It is suggested through the 12 steps that one will find a power greater than him, or herself.
    The second step says that we "came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity". For some folks that power is the AA group that they belong to. For others it is the God they grew up with. For still others it can be nature, a force for good in the universe, or what ever they happen to be comfortable with.

    I personally found a concept of a higher power that works for me. My concept may different than anyone else on the planet, but it works for me and that is all that matters.

    " The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking "

    Jim M
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    I know - at work I was saying "Jesus!" but it never occurred to me that some might think I was swearing.

    I was also talking about the Queen once and a Filipino girl said to me "Which Queen is this that you are talking about?" (she had recently immigrated).

    It is hard sometimes to communicate when you get a lot of girls in one room from the Philippines (which is the case where I work). They all start talking Tagalog and you feel sort of left out.
  10. Chuggs
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    Sorry, somehow I messed up this reply and can't make it go away.
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    From what I understand (granted, I've never been to AA so don't know much) they want to help people stop drinking, not convert them to one religion or another. To me, anyone who uses the religion excuse for not getting help, doesn't really want help.
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  12. Chuggs
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    Thanks for the info Jim!
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    Ok, I admit that this quote of mine is a bit unfair. This would be the case if they weren't other similar organizations, at least it could be. Peace!

    Live and let live, love and let love!
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    I had the same issue when I used to work around a lot of Hispanics. They would be talking part English, part Spanish, and it was very hard not to feel left out. On the other hand, it was kinda neat hearing another language so close up. (BTW, I suck at learning languages--guess my brain's just not built for that--but think knowing others would be cool.)

    :)
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    My aunt lived in Germany as a young woman. She was standing in line at a grocery store and I guess apparently was tagged as an American quickly by two German women standing in line behind her. They started talking very badly and loudly about her in German, saying really awful things about her weight, hair, clothes etc.... When it was her turn to pay, she started talking to the checker really loudly in fluent German. And then she looked at the German women and smiled. I guess the looks on their faces was just one of total shock.
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    Oohh yes/ thats just how it is for many. Most people 'get over it' very quickly though.
    Dan 'held on to it a long time" compared to most.

    drunks tend to make mountains out of molehills and
    molehills out of mountains

    everything in their minds is bloated and distorted like a fun house mirror.
    this effect can work as a defense mechanism or a 'killer'... bloated ideas
    of 'guilt' can kill a person.
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    Tiny, that makes so much sense. The mountains and molehills brings back memories. Granted, I much preferred keeping them buried and denying their existence, lol.
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    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Agreed
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    I just finished the book. What a trip. He did it again.

    Jim M
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    Welcome to the SKMB @Jim M

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    "I just finished the book. What a trip. He did it again.
    Jim M"
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