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I hope the NFL took some of the Colt's footballs to test also to make sure weather wasn't a factor. I know that weather can be an issue with my tires so I'm sure it can be with footballs too.

You would hope so. The big question this morning on the radio concerned the referee. If he checked the balls before the game and found them to be okay, assuming the weather wasn't a factor, when did they become deflated and by whom?
 

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DiO'Bolic

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Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?

Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?
Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?
Who let the air out?

Well, the game was nice, the ball de-pumpin'
Yippie yi yo

And that Brady havin' a ball
Yippie yi yo

I tell Belechick start the plays a callin'
Yippie yi yo

And the fans respond to the call
I heard a referee shout out

Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?
Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?
Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?
Who let the air out?
Hut, hut, hut, hut, who?

I see de Pats ain’t havin’ a ball
'Coz they really want to skip town
Get back, Gronk, back, Gostkowski
Get back all you football scoundrels

Gonna tell myself, "Hey, man, no get cheaty"
Yippie yi yo
 

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Here we go again, it seems... The haters gonna hate;
All because, for so long now, New England's been so great.
"Only 'cause they're cheaters"? Thought we'd put that one to rest.
Thought we'd proved Bill Belichick and Brady are the best.

"Not so fast," the haters say. For now we stand accused;
Claims were made that we deflated balls that Brady used.
So, although we crushed the Colts to win the AFC,
This adds further tarnish to New England's legacy.

NFL has got investigations underway
While the Patriots, who've got a Super Bowl to play
(This one makes it number 6) continue to ignore
All the haters - who can't stand the thought we might win 4.

The fact that they would've won it without help makes one wonder why such a great coach keeps dipping into cheater mode.

I heard it theorized that part of what makes him a great coach is his attention to minutiae, to make all the little differences you can to add up to great big advantages; and that he won't stop cheating because it's a part of that same obsession with seeking every advantage.

The puzzling part is that why, with such great coaching, such great teams, and such great success, he continues to sully these triumphs with his mottled Lacquer of Sleaze. Coach: It's not necessary, and it's not worth it.
 

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If this was done intentionally to gain advantage (which has not yet been proven in spite of the numerous assumptions), it saddens me that they would do this. It tarnishes the reputation of the team and takes away from any wins they've had in the past and going forward and is a bit of a slap in the face for their fans. They're good enough to play the game on their skills alone and don't need to stoop to these kinds of tactics--if that's in fact what they were doing. Until I know more about the outcome of the investigation such as who had control of the balls after the initial inspection, whether they purposely deflated the balls beyond the variances allowed, did they have a faulty gauge, etc., I'm hoping this will be an honest mistake. It's hard enough being a Patriots fan when nearly everyone else hates them and has to find something to complain about about them.


I've learned a lot about inflation of footballs as a result of this. Here are a few quotes from this Boston Globe article

At least one official touches the football on every play, yet none seemed to notice until halftime. The Patriots led, 17-7, at intermission, and outscored the Colts, 28-0, after the officials seemingly corrected the ball issue.

Each team uses its own football on offense — a 2013 New York Times article said that each team even has its own logo on the football when on offense — and teams are allowed to slightly doctor the footballs to their preference. “Rubbing up” the football with dirt to make it less slippery is common, and so is slightly adjusting the inflation levels.

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers likes to overinflate the football. When the Packers and Patriots played on Nov. 30, CBS broadcaster Phil Simms relayed a conversation he had with Rodgers.

“He said something which was unique. ‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do, and see if the officials take the air out of it,’” Simms said of Rodgers. “Because he thinks it’s easy for him to grip. He likes them tight.”

It’s unclear how often the NFL investigates ball issues. In another incident this season, the NFL reminded all 32 teams that they cannot warm the balls with sideline heaters during cold games, after the Panthers and Vikings did it in their Nov. 30 game in Minneapolis, drawing a warning from officials.
 

Out of Order

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Well, if you believe the stories coming out now, the Pats were accused of doing this as far back as November of this year in the first game against the Colts. So the officials have been checking the balls since then one would have to assume. I'm still waiting for the NFL's report that specifically states WHEN the apparent deflation took place and by whom. They have confirmed that the balls were okay before the game so something happened. The Colts's balls all checked out so I guess the weather can be ruled out.

Also of note is how many players past and present are coming out in support of the Pats. Saying that this practice has been going on for years and how it is well known throughout the league, but since it's the Pats now it is a big deal.
 

DiO'Bolic

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Well, I’ve been pretty vocal of my dislike for Belichick, and I’ve got to admit I’m getting a kick out of all this. I am surprised that the controversy had taken off as much as it has and how quickly they're coming out with parodies.

The controversy is on just about every radio station I've listened to the last few days.

On my way into work this morning I was listening to the John Debella show. He did a segment called "The De-Belichick Test" to try and prove how meaningless this controversy was, and that you can’t really tell any difference between footballs that were tested before the game and the ones in question. He had two footballs, one with correct PSI (before the game) and one at the PSI reported by the NFL that is in question. He had a guest hold both balls and the guest couldn’t tell the difference. He then had the guest squeeze the balls and the guest thought he noticed a difference but couldn’t be sure. Then he had the guest throw both balls. The guest said he now was certain which was the deflated ball as it was much easier to handle and control in a throwing situation. And he was correct on the choice. The segment didn’t quite go as Debella planned.

He then played this song parody which is getting a lot of play

Another radio station I was listening to this morning played this, which I got a kick out of also...
Barney Teaches - Deflategate by 99.9 The Hawk - Hear the world’s sounds

The Pats might be fined and could lose a draft pick if it is determined they cheated, but in the end all that it will do is tarnish the reputation of a truly great team over the past decade.

As a NY Jets fan I must admit... I’m lovin’ it!
 
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Out of Order

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Then he had the guest throw both balls. The guest said he now was certain which was the deflated ball as it was much easier to handle and control in a throwing situation. And he was correct on the choice. The segment didn’t quite go as Debella planned.

ESPN's Sport Science did a little investigating on this as well. Their findings showed that the deflated football is worse to use than the properly inflated ball. Less accurate.
 

DiO'Bolic

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ESPN's Sport Science did a little investigating on this as well. Their findings showed that the deflated football is worse to use than the properly inflated ball. Less accurate.
In bad weather?

But some QBs like over-inflated balls, while others under-inflated balls. It comes down the the QB preference in the end.