Haven: Season 5

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I'm not so sure I like the new direction the show is taking :( I liked Audrey and her role as the mysterious heroine. Mara is like a creature from chaos. I do not like her! Having said that, I can't wait to see what happens next lol.

I was surprised Colin Ferguson was able to pull off a convincing bad guy. I will always think of him as the sweet and kind sheriff of Eureka :)

Question: Was Agent Howard a good guy or a bad guy? I used to think he was a good guy, now I'm not so sure.
 

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Question: Was Agent Howard a good guy or a bad guy? I used to think he was a good guy, now I'm not so sure.

He's very mysterious...I can't really make out his true intentions. But I think he does whatever it takes like in the season 4 finale when
he tried to get Audrey in the barn...wonder what his real involvement is with the Troubles and Audrey? Maybe to keep her on track?
 

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I want to know why he doesn't age/change!! I wonder if it's because of the barn or something? It seems like "sets up" these things, like Jennifer's adoption, in order for whatever, like the Troubles, to go right in the future...
 

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Question: Was Agent Howard a good guy or a bad guy? I used to think he was a good guy, now I'm not so sure.

My belief is that Agent Howard is an agent for good.
Mara did some very bad things during her time in Haven and it was Agent Howard who put a stop to them. He doled out her punishment, which was to be trapped in the barn except when she was allowed out to deal with the descendants of the people she had Troubled.

I liked the twist with Colin Ferguson turning out the way he did. I don't believe he was to be Howard's replacement.
He was Mara's co-conspirator back in the early days. His punishment was to be thrust into the void. When Howard was killed and the barn began to disintegrate, he was able to escape into the barn and then follow Lexie/Audrey back to Haven, perhaps through a thinny before Jennifer closed them all.
 

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What do you think the barn really is?

There are some things in Haven that remind me of UTD the series.

Did you see the Season 2 Christmas episode? It was very much an Under the Dome riff.

According to Agent Howard, when Audrey was in the barn
her energy kept the Troubles at bay. However, she had to emerge ever 27 years to recharge her energy, which was accomplished by finding love.
 
Mar 12, 2010
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Did you see the Season 2 Christmas episode? It was very much an Under the Dome riff.

According to Agent Howard, when Audrey was in the barn
her energy kept the Troubles at bay. However, she had to emerge ever 27 years to recharge her energy, which was accomplished by finding love.

The episode with the
snowglobe
? I was thinking of that episode when I made one of my silly speculations on the UTD thread lol. That's one of my favorite episodes :)
 
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My belief is that Agent Howard is an agent for good.
Mara did some very bad things during her time in Haven and it was Agent Howard who put a stop to them. He doled out her punishment, which was to be trapped in the barn except when she was allowed out to deal with the descendants of the people she had Troubled.

I liked the twist with Colin Ferguson turning out the way he did. I don't believe he was to be Howard's replacement.
He was Mara's co-conspirator back in the early days. His punishment was to be thrust into the void. When Howard was killed and the barn began to disintegrate, he was able to escape into the barn and then follow Lexie/Audrey back to Haven, perhaps through a thinny before Jennifer closed them all.

I didn't catch most of that while watching the series. I'm glad you did :)
 

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There is another resource -- a 16-page minicomic that comes with the S4 DVDs that reveals a bit about Mara and William and "Agent" Howard in the very early days. Plus the new webseries should be illuminating, too.

Thanks again for the link for that webseries. I saw the first clip and it was really interesting! It would be cool to gain a little more insight into Haven and the troubles!!!
 

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One of the sloppiest starts to any season of Haven IMO.

You could practically see all the spinning plates to distract the audience as the actors had to mouth so much expository - and IMO nonsensical - dialogue. It was a lot of noise and motion with no significance. Things happened out of the blue with no context or pretense of plausible explanation.

Beyond the practicality of needing the cast to be around for this season the whole scattering them about makes no sense - they should have all died. And it smacks too much of the start of Season 4. What caused the lighthouse to explode? And if it is the closing of the doorway - why? Apparently this has happened twice before? Foreshadowing I assume.

Why did Duke being consumed by all the curses his family had stopped in the Season 4 Finale turn around to being revived by him? And why only one curse at a time? And if he is creating curses shouldn't he be locked up for the rest of the season or until he's cured?

The lighthouse portal led to a void - thinnies are mostly doorways to other worlds. If Mara knew about the thinnies, it's reasonable to believe William did too. Why didn't he use one of them to jar Mara's memories?

Dwight being shot 3 times and tasered and being able to recover so quickly - yeah OK. Nathan sitting in plain sight on the beach in his Bronco was laughable. And that dialogue about true love conquering all - yuck!?!?!?!? And the tension of whether or not Audrey is still inside Mara somewhere - not that there ever was a doubt - has already been lost when Mara could not deliver the kill shot to Nathan.

The corner the show painted itself into with the S4 Finale was a deep one and it showed with the amount of hand waving in this episode. This episode felt like part 1 of two part episode so maybe my opinion will improve if some context is supplied for the lighthouse explosion, thinnies showing up without ever being referenced before, and Duke's curse reversal.

Oh well, just have to put it behind me and hope what has been setup for the rest of the season makes forgetting this episode worth it. The big plus right now is that Emily Rose gets to play the Joker version of her character which should be a lot of fun.