Have you ever been part of an initiation? Back in the old days people in the armed forces were forced in various humiliating acts. My jobs have been boring, so I haven't had any accept going out drinking with the new employees. My father when he got his seaman's ticket to sail in Australia back in 1959, his first job was on a boat with mainly Australian born, English born and Scottish sailors. He told me they were all drinking below decks before sailing the next day. He said a Liverpool, English, bloke by the name of Waters said everyone should go on deck for a smoke. My father said he knew he was going to get something. My father was about 5-11 and 15 stone. Sailor Waters was about 6-3 and 16 and half. He said something happened and Waters pushed him and then 'Liverpool kissed' him. He said they started fighting and my father said Waters was very strong. My father said Waters knock two of his teeth out. Then someone whistled, and then they slapped him on the back and said 'you're alright'. Waters and Co used to come around our house and drink before they all went out drinking.