Making a Murderer.

[Sigmund]

Good Sunday evening.

I watched this 10 part documentary (and posted on Dana Jean's Documentary thread). I watched a second time to make sure I hadn't imagined it.

Filmed over a 10-year period, Making a Murderer is an unprecedented real-life thriller about Steven Avery, a DNA exoneree who, while in the midst of exposing corruption in local law enforcement, finds himself the prime suspect in a grisly new crime. Set in America's heartland, the series takes viewers inside a high-stakes criminal case where reputation is everything and things are never as they appear. Written by Netflix

It's getting a lot of press and social media is talking about it still. There's a petition to have Steve Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey pardoned.

Pardon Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey for their alleged involvement in the murder of Teresa Halbach. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

I think it's sorta goofy to ask for them to be pardoned -even if could be done- based on a documentary.

Also, I don't agree with many people who believe the project creators intended to show Mr. Avery is innocent. I saw it as an example for American people to see how the judicial system is flawed. I think it is also very educational. Most people don't know how the judicial system works. And how it fails. (I have A LOT to say about this but I'll just sit down and shut up for now.)

Two things I feel comfortable stating,

Spoiler: My opinion

I don't know if Steve Avery is guilty or innocent but I feel pretty confident saying, I would bet my eye teeth that murder did not occur the way the prosecution stated. Far from it. And the fact the jury came back with a guilty verdict is frightening.

Spoiler: My opinion.

16 year old Brendan Dassey was betrayed by his attorney. Badly, badly betrayed. (It just reinforces my belief, if your child is picked up and questioned your child should say, "I want a attorney. I want an attorney. I want my parent. I want a attorney. I want an attorney and my parents." I have more to say about this as well.Ha!)

I have heard and read people who watch this documentary get angry and curse, yell at the TV and get bent out of shape. I understand this behavior. I muttered a coupleof curses myself. (I studied and wrote papers on the subject and even I was appalled. Not surprised but definitely appalled.)

I hope the interest in this continues and grows. I think it's an opportunity to make things a little better.

Ya'll stay cool.

Peace

 

[Grandpa]

I have a friend who's watching this and is keeping me updated, whether I want him to or not. He reports that it's quite compelling.

 

[Bev Vincent]

I read about this guy a number of years ago and wrote a short story inspired by it. I was surprised to hear Avery's name at the beginning of the first episode and am looking forward to seeing the rest of this.

 

[doowopgirl]

Incompetent or corrupt law enforcement should always be exposed. That shouldn't affect the guilt or innocence of the accused.

 

[GNTLGNT]

...DNA evidence is a double edged sword...it can exonerate or adjudicate....

 

[80sFan]

I started this series last night (watched the first two episodes) and it's very interesting. Seems like far too much of a "coincidence" to me that

Spoiler

when Avery was on the cusp of getting his financial compensation from others who ruined his life, that he'd be charged with this crime.

Having only watched a couple episodes, my theory is...

Spoiler

someone close to law enforcement was keeping an eye on him and when Theresa left (?) they saw an opportunity to set him up for murder. I know that's far-fetched, but people have done way worse for far less money than they'd be paying out.

 

[Dana Jean]

Apparently the documentary doesn't talk about the fact that he wanted to build a torture chamber to rape, torture and kill women. He was abusive to pets. He had patterns of sexual deviancy from a number of women being attacked by him plus he apparently sexually abused a nephew.

A lot of stuff that the Netflix documentary doesn't reveal.

 

[Sigmund]

Apparently the documentary doesn't talk about the fact that he wanted to build a torture chamber to rape, torture and kill women. He was abusive to pets. He had patterns of sexual deviancy from a number of women being attacked by him plus he apparently sexually abused a nephew.

A lot of stuff that the Netflix documentary doesn't reveal.

Hi!

I think my biggest thing is

Spoiler

The Manitowac County Sheriffs department were instructed to NOT be part of the murder investigation yet at least two detectives/LEO went onto Averys property. And it was one of the detectives who discovered the victims keys in Averys bedroom, in plain view, after after it had been searched and hadn't been found in the previous searches.

Again, I don't know if Avery is guilty or not.

 

[Dana Jean]

Hi!

I think my biggest thing is

Spoiler

The Manitowac County Sheriffs department were instructed to NOT be part of the murder investigation yet at least two detectives/LEO went onto Averys property. And it was one of the detectives who discovered the victims keys in Averys bedroom, in plain view, after after it had been searched and hadn't been found in the previous searches.

Again, I don't know if Avery is guilty or not.

Oh, there is definitely some things that don't add up in Avery's favor. The thing that bothers me is the nephew who was supposedly part of the killing. He is obviously, what's the politically correct term?--- slow. I worry that he wasn't given proper counsel or had the proper screenings by mental health professionals.

I was just saying the documentary didn't give all the information. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking a second look at this to make sure things were done correctly, fairly and legally. But we can't base innocence or guilt on a documentary.

Yeah, take another look at all the evidence and all the players involved.

 

[Sigmund]

Oh, there is definitely some things that don't add up in Avery's favor. The thing that bothers me is the nephew who was supposedly part of the killing. He is obviously, what's the politically correct term?--- slow. I worry that he wasn't given proper counsel or had the proper screenings by mental health professionals.

I was just saying the documentary didn't give all the information. I don't think there is anything wrong with taking a second look at this to make sure things were done correctly, fairly and legally. But we can't base innocence or guilt on a documentary.

Yeah, take another look at all the evidence and all the players involved.

Hey Dana Jean!

I used to think a documentary was all about the truth. (I was uber goofy.)

I like this documentary because it has caught peoples attention and hopefully, hopefully, give us all a wake up call to look at our judiciary system. (But, honestly, I fear it's just another freaking *trend*. Until the next thing that captures attention.)

 

[80sFan]

The thing that bothers me is the nephew who was supposedly part of the killing. He is obviously, what's the politically correct term?--- slow. I worry that he wasn't given proper counsel or had the proper screenings by mental health professionals.

Exactly! How did no one on this case see this???? He is obviously mentally challenged in some way and very uneducated (neither him nor his mother even knew what the word "inconsistent" meant).
Add that to being extremely trusting and eager to please and of course he said whatever the officials wanted him to say.
I was so angry at that whole situation, I had to stop watching for now.

 

[Out of Order]

Up to episode 5..........holy mother of __________ !

 

[Mr Nobody]

I've yet to watch this, but I've heard a fair bit about it. One of the things that appeared in the media was that the prosecution has said that not all the evidence was heard in court, for whatever reason, but had been revealed to the judge in closed sessions.
Now, I'm not sure if that could have been the case or not. I don't know the intricacies of the US system generally, let alone state by state. The one thing that does seem fairly clear, though, is that the defence team would also have been aware of this evidence, and would/should have been in chambers along with the judge and prosecution's lead. If no one from the defence was present...well surely then that's not a fair trial.
It's actually been that possible absence of all the evidence that's kept me from watching, as you can't really form a clear, certain view of the case on way or the other...and that reduces a definite crime and possible ensuing miscarriage of justice to mere entertainment for the masses. That's not worth getting the deerstalker out for.

 

[Bev Vincent]

I'm on the fence about the nephew. At first I thought he was pressured into a confession, but his telephone conversations with his mother bother me. Granted he is slow, but he said things to her unsolicited that I cannot explain if he's innocent.

 

[morgan]

I'm trying not to read through this thread until after I finish all ten episodes - on ep. 4 right now. This is infuriating to me, but I can't stop watching (probably the point, right?)!

 

[morgan]

Good Sunday evening.

I watched this 10 part documentary (and posted on Dana Jean's Documentary thread). I watched a second time to make sure I hadn't imagined it.

Filmed over a 10-year period, Making a Murderer is an unprecedented real-life thriller about Steven Avery, a DNA exoneree who, while in the midst of exposing corruption in local law enforcement, finds himself the prime suspect in a grisly new crime. Set in America's heartland, the series takes viewers inside a high-stakes criminal case where reputation is everything and things are never as they appear. Written by Netflix

It's getting a lot of press and social media is talking about it still. There's a petition to have Steve Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey pardoned.

Pardon Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey for their alleged involvement in the murder of Teresa Halbach. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

I think it's sorta goofy to ask for them to be pardoned -even if could be done- based on a documentary.

Also, I don't agree with many people who believe the project creators intended to show Mr. Avery is innocent. I saw it as an example for American people to see how the judicial system is flawed. I think it is also very educational. Most people don't know how the judicial system works. And how it fails. (I have A LOT to say about this but I'll just sit down and shut up for now.)

Two things I feel comfortable stating,

Spoiler: My opinion

I don't know if Steve Avery is guilty or innocent but I feel pretty confident saying, I would bet my eye teeth that murder did not occur the way the prosecution stated. Far from it. And the fact the jury came back with a guilty verdict is frightening.

Spoiler: My opinion.

16 year old Brendan Dassey was betrayed by his attorney. Badly, badly betrayed. (It just reinforces my belief, if your child is picked up and questioned your child should say, "I want a attorney. I want an attorney. I want my parent. I want a attorney. I want an attorney and my parents." I have more to say about this as well.Ha!)

I have heard and read people who watch this documentary get angry and curse, yell at the TV and get bent out of shape. I understand this behavior. I muttered a coupleof curses myself. (I studied and wrote papers on the subject and even I was appalled. Not surprised but definitely appalled.)

I hope the interest in this continues and grows. I think it's an opportunity to make things a little better.

Ya'll stay cool.

Peace

I just finished watching the series and am in complete agreement with both of your spoiler comments.

 

[morgan]

He was abusive to pets.

In the very beginning, the documentary did reveal that he was charged with one count of animal abuse. This tormented me throughout the series because I truly believe it is a very real testament to character.

 

[morgan]

neither him nor his mother even knew what the word "inconsistent" meant

This bothered me too. I kept thinking back to it every time the prosecutors tried to portray him as some kind of criminal mastermind. His IQ was between 69-73 (if I remember correctly) and his uncle (Steven) had an IQ of around 70 (I hope I'm remembering that somewhat accurately as well). It's all so very sad.

 

[Sigmund]

A little closer


In overturning the conviction, Duffin ruled that investigators made “repeated false promises” that, “when considered in conjunction with all relevant factors, most especially Dassey’s age, intellectual deficits and the absence of a supportive adult, rendered Dassey’s confession involuntary.”


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/22/making-murderer-defendant-brendan-dassey-wins-big-victory-federal-court/421159001/

 

[morgan]

Anyone watch the second part (season) that was recently released on Netflix? I finished a few days ago and am still processing. It's all so bizarre and inconceivable (not to mention tragic).