Not A Big Obama Fan

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Lepplady, Nov 9, 2013.

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  1. ghost19
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    ghost19 .....Damn Zombies.....

    I don't really consider myself a republican or democrat. I try to listen to what candidates have to say, but over the last twenty years, I haven't really seen any of them stick by what they claim while on the campaign trail. Trying to steer a boat as big as our country and keep it on a true course has to be all but impossible. I don't think it's possible to do a "good job" at that level in this modern age. We, as a country, are not going to come together on any major points. Almost everyone I know or deal with has a very low opinion of lawyers, yet how many politicians these days are from any other profession? I can't remember the last time I heard of a long time politician who was a machinist, a nurse, a farmer, or any other profession. They are quick to claim how "salt of the earth" they are when it's convenient for them to say things like that, usually during an election year, but again, they just tell us whatever they have to get us to vote for them. The people who represent us are professional double talkers. Spinning stories is what they do for a living, so why in the world would we want lawyers ascending to the highest levels of power in our Government? How does a person who speaks only legal-ese and makes a six figure salary know how I can best put my kid thru college ten years from now? Politicians believe only in expediency.The days of finding someone the whole country will rally around are gone. Instant media, instant Facebook updates and the speed of technology has all of us convinced our opinions on any subject matter and that we all could do a better job given the chance. I would hate to be President. How do you run a country with so many wolves snapping at your feet from every angle imaginable? I don't think any ONE person has the charisma or tact to be able to sway a majority of our country on any topic. If we are ever able to get past democrat versus republican it will be at least a start in the right direction. Immediately labeling ourselves as one or the other, you've already polarized yourself against the other half. As a country, we are so caught up in only a two party system that it seems what matters, electing the best person for the job, gets lost in the argument of the person being a republican or a democrat. I don't like wasting my vote on a third party candidate any more than anyone else does. I have done this a couple of times, then, in hindsight, was pissed off at myself because I knew damn good and well the winner was going to be someone with a D or an R beside their name. I wish I could believe that these candidates running for office are trying to get there to help the people they represent, but I don't believe that any longer. Over the years, I have come to the conclusion and continue to believe that anyone who will spend 100 million dollars to get elected to a job that pays one twentieth of that has an alternate agenda and really doesn't care of my hardships. A politician's job in our era is to smile politely, appeal to as many people as possible on any given topic while not committing to anything on paper or in person. The celebrity factor of politics is what seems to matter now. The fact you aren't getting anything done is hidden by how many guest appearances you do on TV and how many people you have following you on Twitter. Time and time again, we see politicians caught up in scandal, belittling the trust over and over we the people bestow upon them to represent our wants and needs. I've never lived in England but I think it's interesting that members of the ruling family are expected to serve in the military in some capacity. I highly admire this quality, if you are going to rule, you need to know how to serve the country you are going to be in charge of. Being in the military doesn't automatically make you a great leader, but at least you can come at the job from the angle you have put boots on the ground in the name of your country.

    I don't know how our country is going to sort anything out, if we ever find a way, I'll be amazed. Not very realistic, but I'd love to fire everyone, from the President on down the line to the newest Senator and Congressman, tell everyone thanks, but your services are no longer needed. Everyone get together as small communities and elect some folks who might actually serve us rather than themselves.

    Lepp, don't think your service goes unappreciated, Semper Fi.
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  2. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Simply Stated


    Take your time. But do your due dilegence on "border" and not "boarder." :oops:

    (Love the ";)" smilie. It means we can have a bit of fun with each other, but to keep in mind not to take things too seriously. Well for me anyway.)

    And I may not be a Republican much longer. I’m getting fed up with both parties. I talked to the GOP headquarters this week, who was looking for more money once again. All it was about was how they needed money to fight the evil democrats. I told them I was fed up, I’m done sending them money, I will only donate to specific candidates I support, and they should stop calling me. I told them I know the two parties are worlds apart on many issues, and although I favored the GOP side, I found it repulsive the way Congress has been acting, as there has to be some why of finding compromise on many things. I told them I was switching to Independent! That way I can vote for any candidate of my choosing in a general election without any regrets. :mad:
  3. Lepplady
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    Lepplady The incredible shrinking woman

    Excellent points all.
    Hoorah, brother.
    :encouragement:
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  4. Shasta
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    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    Here are ones that point out that Obama is an alien:

    obama is an alien - Google Search

    Here he is as a serial killer:

    obama is a serial killer - Google Search


    Here are the ones that say Obama is a gay man:

    obama is a serial killer - Google Search
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  5. Narvic
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    Narvic Well-Known Member

    So, maybe some of the people who aren't thrilled with President Obama's performance will look back in a few years and decide he wasn't so bad after all.
    Maybe not. Is it all that important that we all feel the same way about any given topic?

    No one here seems to be wanting to nominate President Obama for sainthood, nor is anyone getting a petition signed for his impeachment.

    Global warming is something we've all heard of by now, but anyone who hasn't done a scientific study is simply deciding to trust someone elses assertions. Sure, we can look at facts and figures and come to a conclusion, but we're still taking it on faith or going with our gut that those facts and figures seem legit.

    People get all in a tizzy because this guy Phil Robertson cast homosexuality in a negative light and yet Barack Obama campaigned saying he was against gay marriage himself. President Obama was allowed to "evolve" at his own pace. Isn't it possible to let everyone else do so at their own pace?

    I see decent things President Obama has done or tried to do and there are areas where I have questioned the value. I don't believe he is an alien. LOL
  6. Shasta
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    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

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  7. Lepplady
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    Lepplady The incredible shrinking woman

    Obama an alien? That takes the whole Birther claim in a whole 'nother direction, doesn't it?
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    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

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    aliens...I knew it! That explains everything!
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  9. Tery
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    Ya know, it's kinda funny... there were a lot of us who thought Bush was botching the job. I don't recall any of us asking for his birth certificate or saying he was gay or an alien. We didn't demand that everything he tried to do be stopped -- just the unconstitutional stuff. And at that, I recall us being told that we were "un-American" and told to leave the country if we didn't like it. "Respect the President," we were told, "even if you disagree, he's the President." And, though we peacefully protested against the war which we were lied into, we were derided and told that we were not "real" Americans. And would we just STFU?

    Those same people who told us to respect the Office, that we were un-American if we disagreed with him or them, who rolled over and begged the Bush administration to just be gentle.... these are the very ones who are disrespectful of the current Office holder, who call HIM un-American and who support the Republican plan to block everything he tries to do. Even if it's harmful to the country. Even if it causes suffering. Even if it's morally WRONG. Well, you know what? YOU can leave the country if you don't like it. We are trying to drag this country into the 21st century. You are trying to drag it back to the 19th. YOU will NOT win.

    Now please suck it up and deal with the fact that this President was re-elected overwhelmingly. This is what the majority of Americans want. That you wish to sit in the muck and throw your feces at the rest of us is your own look out.
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  11. hossenpepper
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    hossenpepper Keeper of Octopus Volcano

    Again, you are wholly unqualified to make this call. and now we are back to the beginning of your posts seem to just be personal. Ignore or whatever. Your service was not questioned. Hiding behind your oath as a way to justify that you must defend America against the domestic enemy Obama is disrespectful in a multitude of ways to ANYONE who has ever taken that oath. This last statement, again, is a call you are wholly unqualified in every way to make. Any attempt to do so is just revealing your internal prejudice against this person.

    Tiresome? THIS CRAP IS TIRESOME. I believe that was my very first post back... this crap is just tiresome and silly. This was tiresome before the election and even more so now. Because regardless of how awesome you think it is, if you aren't helping the ship move forward, you're holding it back.
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  12. hossenpepper
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    Tery, it's pointless. It never ceases to amaze me how amicable the left is in the face of BS that the right calls "politics". When they get their own medicine back because the left is tired of just letting crap happen, they cry foul and whine like babies. The feces throwing is a good analogy.
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  13. hossenpepper
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    This was my entire point. Lepp doesn't know him, rejects anything as being a fact about him or his policy unless it can be twisted to support her agenda, and refuses to listen to anyone point it out because she is a veteran, which entitles her to a special opinion on these matters the rest of us don't deserve (unless you beat the same drum).
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  14. hossenpepper
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    Why is it a reward to "breaking our laws" to approach the issue with a realistic way of going about it? Believe it or not, and it's probably the Native American side of me, I am very conservative in my immigration views. So before you get your shorts twisted, we are probably on the same side on this one. I say shut the borders and don't let anyone else in. It's not like we need more jokers in this nuthatch anyway. HOWEVER... my logical side reminds me that isn't realistic. I live in Florida and this issue is HUGE down here as it is in AZ, CA, NM, TX, etc. Down here, we grow the oranges and make the juice that the rest of you love so much. Juice that has stayed relatively affordable for one main reason: illegal immigrant workers who will take far less than an average American worker. It is the large businesses and corporations that profit from this that are the most opposed to deporting everyone. In fact, does anyone remember the call by a farmer of some type to anyone in the country that wanted to come do these jobs? He basically said he'd pay a decent wage and give the jobs to any legal citizen that wanted them, no interview or vetting needed. Guess how many people showed up? ONE. Stephen Colbert the comedian.

    Border security? Well, who knows how to solve that without breaking the bank? A comedian once suggested this: burning river of gas. If they get past it, they get to stay. Otherwise, we set up grandstands every few miles and sell tickets on our side to watch the fun.

    Obama has taken the correct stance here. He is waiting for everyone to get together and give suggestions that aren't the same ones we keep going back to. But, anyone with sense can see that legalizing these people, most likely in a sweeping way, is the only option really available. Anything else would get so complicated and almost impossible, neocons would start calling it Obamacare mistakenly. :)
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  15. hossenpepper
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    hossenpepper Keeper of Octopus Volcano

    NEESY... You like EVERYTHING!! Panderer!!! :p
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  16. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    You're right - I DO like everything - that is the only way I can tell if I have read a post or not - Sorry! (I try not to get too involved in politics or religion actually) Cry pardon ;)
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  17. Lord Tyrion
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    I'm a libertarian when it comes to immigration. If someone is willing to do a job cheaper and better than anyone else, then come on over. Our free market economy will benefit from it.

    This issue will never be resolved because most voters want heavy border enforcement and no amnesty, but politicians don't want to disenfranchise Latino voters who have a long memory. The reason California will always be a blue state is because the Republicans ran on a staunch anti-illegal immigrant platform in the 90s and the far right is keeping that trend going.
  18. hossenpepper
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    hossenpepper Keeper of Octopus Volcano

    LMAO, that's hilarious. I didn't know that was your tracking device. No pardon crying needed!
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  19. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Panderer? What wrong with that? They're cute! :panda:

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    :)
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  20. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    S'okay Hoss - you often make me laugh anyway (in the other threads that is!)

    Too bad I could not make it to last years King Kon - your guitar playing was awesome - um - that WAS you serenading Ms. Mod wasn't it?
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