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Not A Big Obama Fan

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Lepplady, Nov 9, 2013.

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  1. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    That's great advice--it's too bad more reporting doesn't stick to those guidelines and let the opinions go on the Op-Ed page.
  2. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    I was listening to NPR this morning and they were discussing how difficult it's going to be for President Obama to do the State of the Union. They said he not only has to face all of the attacks on his policy but all of the personal attacks as well. I thought that was interesting and timely.
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  3. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Yeah, that and there are THREE response. LMAO. The GOP, The Tea Party and Rand Paul. I call it the Huey, Dewey and Louie Feedback. Like a Disney film they will be based on unrealistic anecdotal idealism that has no place in the conscious world.
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  4. Lepplady

    Lepplady Chillin' since 2006

    That being the case, it's up to each and every person to do their homework and discover what the unbiased facts are, on both sides of the fence. That means people have to put aside their personal bias, too. Objective facts are wasted on slanted opinions.
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  5. Lepplady

    Lepplady Chillin' since 2006

    Like the song says, there are always three sides to any story: One side, the other side, and the truth.
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  6. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Saying something is dumb or silly isn't name calling or personal. Because if it was (according to your rules), then your comments about how horrible Obama is would then be personal BY YOUR OWN RULES. And you've struggled so mightily to prove that your feelings AREN'T personal

    Man, that stung I am sure. It's OK, all of us can read, so no need to try to say it didn't.

    Sounds to me like you just can't handle having your "darlings killed" by better analysis and facts.
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  7. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Cool, let us all know when you start doing that. Oughta make for a fascinating read.
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  8. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    I couldn't agree more. Too bad the pundits, Fox News, and movements such as the Birthers weren't on board with that, too.
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  9. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    The truth is what makes everyone look bad. If you have seen it as one sided in your life, you probably stop at the part that fills YOUR truth and then dismiss the rest. I have always found that when being truly objective, everyone has a little guilt and a little victim in the matter. Hence my entire point here in this thread.

    Obama isn't perfect, but find a president who was. It's never happened. Find one who DIDN'T expand or go beyond the bounds of their power. Look at Lincoln. He was KILLED for his actions by an extreme right wing person, with a lot of the same bombastic language being touted as we've seen about Obama. But history doesn't call Lincoln a scoundrel for doing things that were EXTREME abuses of power according to the standard being applied to Obama. Imagine if Obama suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus?

    The point is, it's easier to point fingers than it is to lend a helping hand, and we are all guilty of that from time to time. Trying to pretend like you are the one human in existence who isn't, just seems like a disingenuous statement.
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  10. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Yes, good point. but what is your point? That the NYT article reads only as facts regarding the report? That is fine too, but it really has no bearing on what we were talking about.

    That being said, if you apply this rule to Fox News, how does it stand up? Pundit outlet or impartial journalism?
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  11. Lepplady

    Lepplady Chillin' since 2006

    Sure. When does THAT start? The facts, that is. The ones not about me?
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  12. Lepplady

    Lepplady Chillin' since 2006

    Fortunately, there are many other sources that host the facts. Left, right and center.
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  13. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Again, according to your OWN rules, your posts here about Obama are PERSONAL because you've cast dispersions on his opinions and what he thinks is right and wrong. If you dn't think you did, it started with POST #2 where you compared the healthcare law to being OK with slavery.

    You can try to ignore that, but that pretty much closes your argument loop there. Sorry. Please reply so you can have the last word, as that is very, very important to you.
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  14. Lepplady

    Lepplady Chillin' since 2006

    Nice try, saying that if I reply it's because I MUST have the last word, a tactic intended to shame me into not replying just to prove that you're wrong. Almost worked.
    Except that your reply is, yet again, about me and not those facts you like to speak of. Shut me up with THOSE.
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  15. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    You're both skirting the line. Anyone want to start another issue that includes facts, sources, etc.?
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  16. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Beta Tester Moderator

    Oh gee whizz... I sure hope today is the day that Stephen decides to drop by and have a wee read, oh boy won't he be pleased to see that his (MB) money is going to SUCH a good cause!

    :sad: I'm sorry Marsha, I really am... this is just getting so old. (delete if you wish, I won't mind..)
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  17. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Example sof fair and balanced:
    Coverage and language used in "reporting" on Anthony Wiener scandal where he (GASP!!) showed his penis to women in private:
    Rep. Anthony Weiner Struggles to Explain Origin of Lewd Twitter Photo | Fox News

    Covergae on Rep. Radel from Flroida for buying cocain off an undercover cop (obviously much less offensive than two adults exchanging nude pix)
    Rep. Radel to take leave of absence after pleading guilty to cocaine charge | Fox News

    Even the titles are nonsense. Wiener "struggles" while Radel, he is just taking a leave, no biggie. The articles themselves show this bias in the way that Wiener's comments are used to try to "guess what he is thinking" and Radel's are just his statements, presented with no analysis. In the Wiener story it presents the response from the republican leaders and goes on to explain who Wiener's wife is and so on. No comments from Democratic leaders is shown, nor was it asked for I am sure. The Radel story is actually presented like a neutral story, while the Wiener story is presented with subtle hints of why this guy is so bad.

    Does left wing media do this? Sure. MSNBC presents stories all the time that are trying to lead you to the left in a subtle way. In that light, like I said punditry is punditry and we should all be suspicious of their stories, not present them as argumentative facts. Because they aren't.
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  18. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Hey, I don't wear skirts. Unless it's to the Highlander festival. But those are called kilts, not skirts. And they are very manly.

    I just pointed out that if we are going to say calling someone's opinion a "name" as it were, is getting personal, then what the OP has been trying to say, that her slights against Obama are not personal, could not be true by her own logic.
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  19. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    This is the dregs of the board... the politics forum. What does thou expect my fine friend from the southern hemisphere? At least your hometown girl (Ella O'Connor [Lorde]) made out quite well last night!
  20. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Mansplaining Since 1989

    Besides, I am sure SK respects folks who stick to their guns and stand up for themselves.

    Welcome to American politics, Flake, It's always been a dirty affair. Look up some of the early political campaigns and such. I mean hell, Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, two of the highest ranking sitting officials at the time had a duel in the street which left Hamilton dead. The entire point of this country to allow individualism, which is why people are so fond of their own opinions. "An attack on my thoughts is an attack on ME" is the thinking in an individualistic society. But, the good part of that is you often know where people come down on things and what they will and will not tolerate.
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