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Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by not_nadine, Jan 16, 2014.
This must have been terrible to watch.
Ohio killer executed with new lethal drug combo - Yahoo News
Might have been horrible to watch but I'd like to know how long the pregnant woman was alive while he raped and then killed her and her unborn child. Nice to see that some things don't go unpunished. I might be coming off as heartless but I am tired of seeing criminals get off with a light sentence or use the system to stay alive for years and years while their victims families have to live with the aftermath of the killer's crime.
I hear ya, but comparing time periods just comes over as revenge, rather than justice. And revenge always leaves this hole inside, because it's never as good the anticipation suggests. A quick death, though, is (if I'm being cold) a bit like taking out the trash. Also, he had a personal motive for what he did. The only motive the State should have is serving justice (or, as I say, taking out the trash).
There's also the issue of whether or not the method used constituted 'cruel and unusual punishment'. I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that such things were forbidden under the US Constitution. And in any case, the State should hold itself to higher standards than those of a common murderer.
I'd like to know a couple of things...
A. Why are people permitted to remain on Death Row for years and years even after being found guilty?
B . Why is there a mix of drugs given... and not a 'hanging' or quick firing line or death by boa constrictor, or fierce inlan tiapan snake?
C. When people are killed in brutal and remorseless fashion, why does the killer get `an easy death?' Why don't we kill them the same way they killed others?
We don't have capital punishment here but I'll give my opinion.
A. Once a person is out to death there is no "do over". You have to be 100% sure of guilt and sanity and intent.
B. Also, you have to be 100% sure. This time, you have to be sure it will work, and that it will work in a timely fashion. Someone has to sit and watch and make sure the person dies. How horrible would it be to sit and watch that.
C. There needs to be a difference between the good guys and the bad guys. If we are all the same, what gives anyone the right to punish another for their crime.
They're worried about HIS "agony and terror"..? He raped and stabbed a woman that was 8 months pregnant, killing both her and her unborn baby. I'd call it karma.
Executions used to be public events attended by people. The idea was punishment for wrongs committed...that and the public also wanted to view a change-of-heart from the condemned before the executioner's blade was swung. The public turned on an inept executioner if he bobbled the job. I wonder why that [the public's participation] was changed and when the change happened? We've lost all sense of privacy in our personal lives, but executions are still withheld from the public. I think its a vast double-wing and fries conspiracy...those in power have been inserting subliminal messages on Facemask.com and other places...movies/tv...so that when the kaka-poopie hits the fan they're [the evil shepherds] less likely to swing from the cross-arms of the many light poles available.
...as you know, I work in the prison system in Ohio-and I have no qualms about what was done to this piece of dirt...given the pain and suffering he caused the victim in the hellaciously brutal way he murdered her and her unborn child, twice as much "gasping for air" would have been too short...and I say we quit worrying about drug cocktails to eke out "revenge" if you will...bullets are still relatively cheap, or better yet...a length of rope in a noose, easy and reusable...
Raped and killed a pregnant woman? I wish it was possible to do to the criminal the exact crime he/she commits. That would be fair - 15 minutes of agony and terror might come close to the agony and terror he inflicted, but probably not. Anything else is too quick and easy.
I am sorry, but I see I have misjudged many of you. This thread makes me so sad and upset, I am going to take a break from this message board.
Before I leave, I have just one question: If you think it's ok for someone to die like this, what makes you so different from the guy who was executed?
We've never raped and murdered a pregnant mother.
The family of the executed man is suing.
Not that I would care what they have done. I believe if you steal,you should be stoled from. if you rob you should be robbed.You should be made to pay back whatever you have taken. Treat you neighbor just as you would want to be treated.Whatever you do should be done to you and perhaps people would think more about doing things. Lisey I hate to see you go over difference in opinions.
Lisey, I am sorry you are leaving the message board. Please don't. We are only expressing our opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own views, and the open-ness of our discussions is Good, not bad. No one is trying to be offensive here...
People are horrified that the 'killer' raped a woman 8 months pregnant, then killed her, then killed her baby. They don't feel empathy for him because of the sadistic way that he killed her.
This is a sad story, because a woman and her baby died needlessly in an agonizing way.
Yes Lisey, I agree. Killing someone because they killed someone puts you on the same moral plane as the murderer. Murderers should be permanently removed from society so they can never harm anyone again. Executing them simply fills a primal need for revenge and it certainly doesn't bring back the victim.
Death sentence. We do not have that here. It's hard to comment when you've grown up with it not being. How I would feel if a member of my family was hurt I do not know. Perhaps that means I should not comment. I still don't think another death would be the answer though. It's as alien to me as NOT ever having the death sentence would be for some of you guys. I'm making no sense. Sorry!
I think it was also intended as a deterrent.
I hesitated before replying. In Canada we also do not have the death penalty.
He admitted his guilt and said sorry for what he did in his last moments.
Also a combination of midazolam and hydromorphone was probably not as horrid as they make it sound.
Midazolam is used in surgery by anesthetists and hydromorphone is actually a pain reliever given to people who are suffering. So, although he made a lot of gasping noises, that does not mean he suffered. I am sure his rape victim suffered, as did her unborn child when he stabbed them to death.
Why would his family choose to watch his execution? I could not have done that - I am sure that was their choice and no one made them watch.
Lisey - take a break from the board, but don't go away completely please. We are not all a bunch of "haters" here. Everyone is entitled to their own point of view, even if we disagree with each other at times.
You have a few different things here.
If you steal you should be stolen from is not the same as paying back what you have taken. And if you kill someone, killing you does not bring that person back.
Killing you slowly and painfully doesn't offer any advantage that killing you quickly doesn't also offer. In fact, I think the slow and painful could be harder on anyone that watched, which usually includes family of the victim too.
I don't support capital punishment, but I don't really object to it either. I don't think it's done often in the states because only the most heinous criminals are actually out to death. And it should be done without lowering ourselves to the level of the criminal. Isn't it actually the government that is responsible for carrying out the death penalty? To intentionally cause a slow and painful death is revenge. Is that what people want from their law enforcement? That's a very dangerous place to be....
...I never killed anyone in a heinous matter...this is justice at it's most base...sorry if you can't deal with the harsh side of my nature...try working around the population I do, and your easily bruised sensibilities will quickly disappear...