Ohio Killer Executed With New Drug

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  1. ghost19
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    ghost19 .....Damn Zombies.....

    A person inserts a serrated knife into the abdomen of a pregnant female killing her and her unborn baby. The last thing the mother-to-be gets to remember in this world is being the object of a animal's lust and feeling the life blood of her and her baby run out? This guy said he's sorry and apologized to the family? I'm not sure how anyone could feel anything for this guy other than relief he's gone. Twenty five years later is the crime any less brutal? Is the mom, or her baby any less dead? The only thing I hope is that maybe, right at the end, just before he slipped over the edge of death, maybe he saw the eyes of the lady he butchered, maybe she was there to welcome him. Good riddance.
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  2. GNTLGNT
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...well stated my brother...no-one but her family still weeps for the victims, but every anti-death penalty advocate weeps for the terribly wronged killer...
  3. AnnaMarie
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    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    I'm no doctor. I don't understand the science of drugs and how they work. I'm going to accept that what you have posted here is correct and accurate.

    So, this does not sound like an inhumane way to execute someone. He's been waiting years on death row...knowing that when he runs out of delays he will be executed. What's another 5 minutes? (I don't mean to sound mean, but honestly..it was about 5 minutes without pain.)

    I'm sure it was really hard on his family. Someone asked why they would chose to be there. Well, I chose to be with my mom when she died. I was visiting her as often as I could, and when she went into a coma the hospital called to let us know it was time for the family to come. We watched as she gasped her last breaths. They assigned us a room for just our family, with a coffee pot, comfie seats, just down the hall, so we could get out of the room. We were lucky in a way. We only watched her gasping for a few HOURS. So, excuse me for not feeling a whole lotta pity for his family. Some yes, but what they witnessed for a few minutes was no worse then what families watch daily in hospitals.
  4. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    So true AnnaMarie - I did not get a chance to be with my Dad when he passed. The hospital called to say "Your Dad died about 20 minutes ago" - hard to believe, considering that is the hospital I now work at!

    By the way, it was ME who asked why the family of the killer chose to be there. I cannot say I do feel a lot of pity for his family (sorry). They are now trying to sue?

    Have you heard of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka? Now those are two sociopaths that I feel absolutely no empathy with. They are truly sick.
  5. GNTLGNT
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...I concur...
  6. Agincourt Concierge
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    Agincourt Concierge Plupples

    yes her family is weeping for a 25 year old son, grandson, nephew they never got to know .... or their beloved daughter, wife, mother that was taken from them in the prime of her life.
  7. ghost19
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    ghost19 .....Damn Zombies.....

    If the person who committed the murders had thought about the long term ramifications of his actions, maybe he wouldn't have stabbed and killed the lady, but, we'll never know, because he did stab and kill her and her unborn baby. Does spending 25 years in prison make up for what he did? Hell no. When he felt that cocktail of lethal chemicals start to enter his bloodstream, maybe then he got to feel a little bit of what his victim felt, although sans a blade of hard, cold, steel slipping into his flesh.
  8. AnnaMarie
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    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    I lived in Scarborough when he was committing his crimes here.
  9. Agincourt Concierge
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    Agincourt Concierge Plupples

    that sounds scary
  10. AnnaMarie
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    You are not familiar with this area are you? Scarborough is huge. He was abducting young women in a specific area which I never went to alone. It had never been a dangerous area before that, but it was not within walking distance for me.

    But the attacks were getting more and more serious, and anyone living here was aware of them, and when they were arrested in St. Kits and he was tied to theses attacks it all made sense"
  11. Agincourt Concierge
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    Agincourt Concierge Plupples

    Well Boston is a pretty big place yet "the Boston Stranger" as able to bring the city to it's knees.... it's scary when someone is out and about killing ... let me ask this question.... when these murders were happening, didn't you feel a little more nervous and cautious?
  12. Lisey Landon
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    Lisey Landon Well-Known Member

    Hello GNTLGNT,
    To assume that I have never worked around criminals, and that my sensibilities are easily bruised is a bit bold, considering you don't know anything about me. The fact is, I have worked around criminals, both through a street mission, and as a volunteer at a shelter for homeless drug addicts. The time I have spent with these people, many of them with jailtime for violent crimes, some even killers, have made me even more opposed to capital punishment. I strongly feel that their punishment should be more about protecting society, than to inflict pain and suffering. Despite what they have done, they are still human beings. And how can anyone show mercy, if no mercy is ever shown to them?

    Many of the drug addicts I worked with, had had extremely horrible childhoods, and started self medicating by using illegal drugs. Through this, they ended up with mostly criminal "friends", and their lives turned into a downward spiral of drugs, violence, more drugs, more violence, etc.
    I got no sob stories from them, and with one exception, none of them tried to justify their own crimes. They just wanted a better life, but had no idea how to get it.

    But, it's not sympathy for the criminals that made me upset yesterday. It was the bloodthirst that I read in some of the posts here. How nice, normal people could be so (seemingly) heartless and cruel, broke my heart.

    That said, I grew up in a country that does not have the death penalty, nor does any other European country. So, it's really difficult for me to understand this way of thinking. If I have hurt anyone with my comments, I do apologize, but there are just some things I can not read and still keep my mouth shut.
  13. Lepplady
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    Lepplady The incredible shrinking woman

    To assume bloodthirstiness about us is just as flawed as any assumptions made about you. How 'bout we just call it even, shake, and go grab a pint of something cold and bubbly?
  14. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Yikes! I thought he was in the Kitchener area! Cry pardon

    I see in a further post you say he was also in St. Catherines. I did read a book about it but that was in the 90s so it was a long time ago.
  15. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    I think that is a great idea - I could use a drink myself. There have been some thought provoking posts here, that is for sure!

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    Love and green lights to all! :m_clap:
  16. Lisey Landon
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    Lisey Landon Well-Known Member

    Let's put it on cultural differences *shakes hand*
    I'm going out to drink wine in an hour, so something cold and bubbly sounds very nice at this point :)
  17. Neesy
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    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    I stopped my medication to see how I feel, and now I am drinking coffee with Irish Cream in it - it is just an experiment at this point - I normally do not drink at all! :semi-twins: Enjoy your wine Lisey! :smile:

    p.s. Don't worry - I'll only have a few ;):wink-new::very_drunk:
  18. Lisey Landon
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    Lisey Landon Well-Known Member

    That is one yummy drink, enjoy!
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    not_nadine Comfortably Roont

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    Two years after Dennis was born, his parents were divorced. Dennis was left in the care of her mother, living with her until he was 18 years old, except when he would occasionally run away to be with his father and brother. Growing up, Dennis’ mother was involved with several men who would verbally abuse Dennis and physically abuse his mother in front of him. They also frequently moved, leading Dennis to drop out of school after the ninth grade. After dropping out of school, Dennis began using marijuana.
    Joy Stewart’s body was found by two hikers on February 12, 1989, in the woods near Bantas Creek. The front of her shirt was soaked in blood and a “blood wipe mark” on her right arm. An autopsy revealed that Joy had been stabbed twice in the neck. The first stab did not cause much damage, but the second stab severed the carotid artery and jugular vein, which caused Joy’s death. Joy had also been raped and sperm samples were collected.
    Investigators had few leads until December 1989, when Dennis McGuire, who was in jail for an unrelated offense, asked to speak to the investigator about Joy’s murder. McGuire said that Jerry Richardson, his brother-in-law killed Joy. Investigators grew suspicious of McGuire when he was able to provide details about the murder that had not been publically released. McGuire was also able to lead investigators to the knife used in the murder.
    The morning before Joy’s body was found, she went to a friend’s, Juanita Deaton, house for a late breakfast. McGuire was also there, as he had been hired to clean the ice out of the gutters. Juanita testified that before Joy left, she saw Joy talking to two men in a dark-colored car. Juanita was unable to determine the identity of the two males. Shortly after Joy left, McGuire also left.
    McGuire’s brother-in-law, Jerry Richardson, testified that McGuire came over to his house that afternoon. Joy also came over, separately, and asked for some marijuana. When McGuire offered to get her some, they left together, in McGuire’s vehicle.
    When McGuire talked to the police, he told them Jerry wanted to have sex with Joy, but Joy refused. According to McGuire, Jerry then pulled a knife on Joy and forced her to have oral sex with him before he sodomized her. Finally, McGuire alleged that Jerry stabbed Joy “in the shoulder bone” and “cut her throat.” These details, provided by McGuire, were not public knowledge, although consistent with the autopsy report. McGuire then led police to where the knife was hidden. In a second interview, McGuire provided additional information, that Jerry had choked Joy before stabbing her and had wiped off his bloody hands on her, which was also consistent, although not public knowledge.
    McGuire also said that Jerry was driving his mother’s blue Ford Escort the day of the murder, however, Jerry’s mother later testified that she had traded in the Escort one year before the murder. Furthermore, she was driving her car the day of the murder; Jerry would not have had access to it.
    On December 24, 1989, McGuire was visited by an old friend. McGuire told his friend that Jerry and he had killed Joy, but he was going to blame it all on Jerry. Additionally, an inmate in the jail testified that McGuire had told another inmate about the crime and, at time, implicated himself. A second inmate testified that McGuire had told him that he raped Joy, after which Joy became “hysterical,” and McGuire killed Joy, fearing he would end up in jail for raping a pregnant woman.
    In 1992, DNA testing was performed on samples from Joy’s body and clothing and compared to blood samples from McGuire, Jerry, and Joy’s husband. Jerry and Joy’s husband were eliminated as being possible suspects. In December of 1994, McGuire was convicted and sentenced to die. DNA testing was again conducted in 2002, and identified McGuire as the rapist.
    Please pray for peace for the family of Joy Stewart. Please pray for strength for the family of Dennis McGuire. Please pray thatDennis may come to have peace through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, if he has not already found one.
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    Lepplady The incredible shrinking woman

    That looks amazing! I think I'll join you.

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