On the 8th Day He said... Here's a gun and a steak!

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  1. hossenpepper
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  2. Cowboy
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    Cowboy Lesser-Known Member

    God and guns....don't get more American than that.
  3. hossenpepper
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    hossenpepper Keeper of Octopus Volcano

    WTF do guns have to do with church? WTF does church have to do with the 2nd Amendment? Just boggles my mind.
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  4. hossenpepper
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    Or hypocritical.
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  5. Cowboy
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    Children of Israel carried swords and had great armies. Just a little more modern with the guns. I don't think church is the place to be giving away guns, but to each his own.
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  6. Out of Order
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    Out of Order Norm!

    YEEEEEEEEEEHAW!!!

    Hand me that rifle............
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  7. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Simply Stated

    I believe Jesus ate meat on occasion. ;) So what’s the problem here? That’s it’s okay to eat meat, just not harvest it yourself?
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  8. Walter Oobleck
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    Jesus told his disciples to sell their cloak and acquire a sword. If the Son of God sees nothing wrong with carrying the assault weapon of the day, I see no reason to question a right that existed before government was instituted to guarantee it is never taken away. But I wonder if the subject was something else, something other than a Christian church, something other than a to-do about guns, would it be met with the same response? This article is relevant for what reason? Guns are apparently very much a part of these peoples' culture. I attended a homeless shelter this once in Chicago...they gave away a meal...we also had to listen to the Word. Don't recall any reporters there recording the event. Later on I went back and I got a bed to sleep in that night. Still no reporters. They listened to the Word here, as well...which was the point of the event, by the account of the article. But no...I think the other point of the article is to belittle these people, judging by the responses (I didn't read them tall) below the article.
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  9. hossenpepper
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    Free food is always awesome. No one debating that. Not even really debating anything here. I am more fascinated that some don't see the hypocrisy with the house of peace giving out dangerous weapons.
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  10. DiO'Bolic
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    Gotcha. Looking at the picture I saw only hunting rifles and shotguns. If there were handguns on the table I might even agree with you.
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  11. hossenpepper
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    Symbolism. It fascinates me that you come to a writer's website but have such a loose grasp on symbolism. That is NOT what that passage means. At all. Not one question was raised about the right... sorry, PRIVILEGE... to own a gun. I will try to explain the difference to you again because you don't seem to understand it.

    You, me and everyone has ONE "right" and ONE "right" only as a human being on the planet earth. To die. Nothing else, and argue all ya want because you're always going to be 100% wrong, can you EXPECT to happen except death. The "right" to own a gun or even free speech is derived by the agreement of the society in which they exist, not a heavenly ordained statute handed down from God. Not one place in the bible does it say "you have the right to free speech and guns". Not one place. In fact it's filled with martyrs who took death over conflict and happily did so in service of their faith. So this term "right" that is so accepted by many, even those that agree with me in many things, is used so incorrectly and gives the impetus to look upon it as ordained expectation rather than something that is legal or illegal depending on where you popped out of your mother. Again, the only thing you can expect to happen and is therefore an ordained event that you will get NO MATTER WHAT (or in other words the proper definition of a "right"), is death. Everything else is a privilege derived from the agreement of the society via the government they put in place. And here is what really trumps any opposite logic you might try: if it's a "right" as we loosely define it, then it's a legal protection. Those are only derived from governmental actions of some sort. And guns, explosives, etc have all been regulated and controlled by governments since they were invented.

    I think the point of the article, or at least what I took from this, is that these two things have one thing in common...fear. Now we can debate the merits of the fear, but no doubt that many seek both of these things out of fear. Furthermore, specifically the fear of death and the unknown. I admit that's scary. I think it if for everyone to some degree. To be human is to worry and try to assuage your fears. I certainly don't knock anyone for it. But let's be honest about it at least.
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  12. hossenpepper
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    I understand your point, but a gun is a gun. I don't think if someone was to shoot you with a rifle over a handgun you'd be any happier or OK with it.
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  13. DiO'Bolic
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    No, but the intent I believe is for hunting purposes, not to go all Scarface with them. And if someone was intent on getting themselves guns for harmful purposes, a church would probably be the last place to go looking for them. Sorta if I was looking for the true numbers on ObamaCare enrollement. HHS would be the last place I would go looking for the truth LOL. :)
    (and I get no compensation for any political comments I make whatsoever. I truely believe the sh*t... well most of it anyway ;))
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  14. hossenpepper
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    Hey you said you're the messenger, not me, man. :)

    Hunting or otherwise, guns are dangerous as a thing and deadly in the hands of the wrong person, whether it be malice or ignorance. Can we at least agree on that?

    I like Chris Rock's suggestions for gun violence. Make bullets cost $5000 apiece. See how many murders you get then. Too expensive! LOL
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  15. DiO'Bolic
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    Actually it was the phrase "Don’t shoot the messenger." That catchy tune describing the act of lashing out at the blameless bearer of bad news, by that wacky bard Willy Shakespeare.

    Okay. Same as automobiles, voting booths, and extra spicy burittos. :)

    I prefer George Washington's, ”A free people ought to be armed.” ;)
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  16. hossenpepper
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    You implied what you were saying was the truth, hence you're the messenger of such. So I agree it was wrong to characterize that as such because what you said couldn't possibly be the truth. :)

    Please, spell burrito correctly. It wounds me deeply when someone doesn't. None of those are analogous. For instance, I can't conceal a car in my coat in a public place. We aren't talking about deaths and murders on a gun range. Playing in the street is dangerous as would be wandering through a firing range. \Voting booth? Ok, get your angle, but it's pretty weak.

    OUGHT to be, doesn't mean they SHOULD be or WILL be. That is why even old George had opinions. Again, it doesn't make them ordained law. He was a frail and flawed human like the rest of us.
  17. DiO'Bolic
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    Guilty as charged. :(
    Have you seen the size of those new Fiats?
    I don't usually see people walking to their local Starbucks with hunting rifles.
    I thought it was pretty good. ;)
  18. hossenpepper
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    It's OK. We all make mistakes. I mean you have chosen conservatism, so... :p

    I said Smart Car? More like a lucid skateboard! Am I right or am I right over here?

    Uhhh, in Kentucky maybe, where they get 'em at church and God is happy about their armaments. Caffeine could only help!

    Oh it was humorous, just not really applicable.
  19. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great & Wonderful

    ....and I thought on the 8th day, God created rock n' roll...... That's what Kiss said, anyway
  20. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great & Wonderful

    Kinda ironic that they're giving away guns, but have Bibles for sale.....

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