Very sad news today. Probably 150 people are dead. 
Plane Crashes In The French Alps, With 150 People Feared Dead - BuzzFeed News
Plane Crashes In The French Alps, With 150 People Feared Dead - BuzzFeed News
Plane Crashes in French Alps
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May the rescuers give closure to the families and friends. Guidance to find any possible survivors.
They say there are probably no survivors.
They also announced that two Babies and 16 pupils class 10 are under the victims.
(((((All involved in crash, family and loved ones)))))
What is your avatar today, a bar of soap?
I just watch news about it. So awful, thoughts and prayers goes out to families and friends.
So sad. The poor families. Thoughts and prayers.
...another colossal loss of life...I am just sickened....
New York Times .......... not confirmed by officials
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html
Just heard a quip on the news that the pilot was locked out of the cockpit. How could they already know this? This is the second time in a couple of weeks that a pilot has been 'locked out' of the cockpit! The first time the co-pilot landed the plane safely. WTF?
Apparently one of the black boxes has been recovered, the one for the cockpit (this is according the New York Times). What I read indicated that the first part of the flight and the conversation between the pilot and co-pilot was totally normal. For some reason, one of the pilots (they did not indicate if it was the senior pilot or the co-pilot) left the cockpit. When he came back, the recording at first shows him knocking lightly and calling quietly. After a while he was pounding, and then trying to break the door open. There was no reaction from the pilot inside. Let me see if I can find the news story for you.
Here it is: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000
This is just a hypothesis based on the supposition that's gone on so far.
Pilot has to go to the bathroom. Leaves the cockpit, which is locked and secured, as per anti-terrorism protocols. While he is in the can, the copilot suffers - a seizure? loss of oxygen? suicidal episode? - and the pilot can't get back in. The plane steadily loses altitude from lack of active control and smashes into the mountain.
Aside from that, it's heartbreaking. I watched the press conference today with the CEOs of Lufthansa and Germanwing. I have to say that they were gracious and emotional in ways that I don't expect of American CEOs. In all the midst of the heartbreak, it was tragically refreshing to see corporate leaders who really seemed to care.
All sympathies to the school and circle of friends and family in the German school, the loved ones of the American victims, all the victims and their families and friends in the crash, not to mention the heartbreak of the responders and workers going back and forth from the scene.
Pilot has to go to the bathroom. Leaves the cockpit, which is locked and secured, as per anti-terrorism protocols. While he is in the can, the copilot suffers - a seizure? loss of oxygen? suicidal episode? - and the pilot can't get back in. The plane steadily loses altitude from lack of active control and smashes into the mountain.
Aside from that, it's heartbreaking. I watched the press conference today with the CEOs of Lufthansa and Germanwing. I have to say that they were gracious and emotional in ways that I don't expect of American CEOs. In all the midst of the heartbreak, it was tragically refreshing to see corporate leaders who really seemed to care.
All sympathies to the school and circle of friends and family in the German school, the loved ones of the American victims, all the victims and their families and friends in the crash, not to mention the heartbreak of the responders and workers going back and forth from the scene.
Seems like it was a deliberate action on the part of the co-pilot.
Germanwings co-pilot intended to destroy plane, says French prosecutor – live updates | World news | The Guardian
An eight-minute descent seems strangely long in the case of a suicide event, but it also implies control on his part. The autopilot must have been turned off, and since the in-cockpit keypad-entry override is said to last for up to 5 minutes at a time, someone in there must have been hitting the manual switch to keep the door locked (it opens automatically in the case of a non-response). Given the safety implementations post-9/11 the pilot and crew had no chance of smashing their way in, though apparently they tried.
That would have panicked the passengers in a way that the long descent would not. Perhaps the co-pilot had wished to spare them the panic, but had overpowering reasons not to simply allow them to complete their journey in safety.
I'd also be inclined to believe the prosecutor when he says that it wasn't a known terrorist action - had it been, he could have flown the 'plane into any number of towns or villages rather than appearing to choose an isolated area between mountains (only accessible by helicopter, they say).
The clear remedial step for the future is to have two people in the cockpit at all times, even if it means having a third person present - maybe an air marshall, maybe a third pilot. Given certain designs, the 3-up plan might not be possible, but in those cases someone should be sitting by the cockpit door, ready to enter the cockpit if either of the pilots has to step out (and they should enter as or before the other one leaves).
As it stands, all anyone can do now is say RIP. Even to/for the co-pilot, whatever mental state he was in.
Germanwings co-pilot intended to destroy plane, says French prosecutor – live updates | World news | The Guardian
An eight-minute descent seems strangely long in the case of a suicide event, but it also implies control on his part. The autopilot must have been turned off, and since the in-cockpit keypad-entry override is said to last for up to 5 minutes at a time, someone in there must have been hitting the manual switch to keep the door locked (it opens automatically in the case of a non-response). Given the safety implementations post-9/11 the pilot and crew had no chance of smashing their way in, though apparently they tried.
That would have panicked the passengers in a way that the long descent would not. Perhaps the co-pilot had wished to spare them the panic, but had overpowering reasons not to simply allow them to complete their journey in safety.
I'd also be inclined to believe the prosecutor when he says that it wasn't a known terrorist action - had it been, he could have flown the 'plane into any number of towns or villages rather than appearing to choose an isolated area between mountains (only accessible by helicopter, they say).
The clear remedial step for the future is to have two people in the cockpit at all times, even if it means having a third person present - maybe an air marshall, maybe a third pilot. Given certain designs, the 3-up plan might not be possible, but in those cases someone should be sitting by the cockpit door, ready to enter the cockpit if either of the pilots has to step out (and they should enter as or before the other one leaves).
As it stands, all anyone can do now is say RIP. Even to/for the co-pilot, whatever mental state he was in.
I heard the recent news and was really shocked. I really hope they find the second Black Box soon. So they know if he co-pilot really took the action and turned out the auto-pilot.
This time it feels really close and I just hope it wasn't a suicide.
This time it feels really close and I just hope it wasn't a suicide.
Do you think the passengers could hear the pilot hammering on the door of the cockpit to get back in? I would imagine some of them must have been able to and figure out what was going on. This is freaking me out. I cannot imagine the horror they must have felt.
OOO the latest news report I saw,said that they did know,and were screaming in the background on the tape..deeply troubling,those poor souls..
I also found it annoying that one of the officials commented that they didn't think looking into the co pilot's religious background was really of any relevance..it almost seems like they are trying to softsoap the investigation rather than overturn every rock to find the answer..
I also found it annoying that one of the officials commented that they didn't think looking into the co pilot's religious background was really of any relevance..it almost seems like they are trying to softsoap the investigation rather than overturn every rock to find the answer..
Not sure if I want to hear that one....