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To answer Walt's question, the R&RHoF is owned by Jan Wenner, who also founded Rolling Stone magazine. Wenner hates Progressive rock. Pink Floyd was the first Prog band inducted. Genesis was finally allowed in 2008, Rush in 2014 and now, finally, Yes. Wenner is a pretentious music snob, a hipster who thinks that the only "real" rock & roll is blue collar, middle class poetry. He is, IMO, a jerk.

But I'm very happy that Yes is finally getting in, though a couple of years too late to see Chris Squire on that stage. :(
Jan Wenner, aged 70, is a hipster?
 

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Ya’ll are forgetting about King Crimson in the gods of Prog-Rock discussion. But my favorite of the genre was Jethro Tull. (Awaiting for Tery to come back and tell us the flute has no place in Rock N Roll. ;))

You're going to wait a very long time, then. I love King Crimson and Jethro Tull and am outraged that neither has been inducted. Maybe with the opening up of voting to the public will fix that. It's what got Rush in the club. If you doubt it, watch Wenner at the start of the 2012 show when he introduces the inductees.

Face it, the R&RHoF is a private club and Wenner is the guy who decides who the "cool kids" are. Lately, fans have been putting pressure on him and his Board. It seems to have helped but there's more to do. KC and Tull next year? I'll vote if you will, DiO'Bolic :)
 

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Jan Wenner, aged 70, is a hipster?

The term 'hipster' dates back to the Jazz culture of the '30s, actually. It gained mainstream notoriety with the Beat culture of the early-late fifties. It used to just mean someone who was 'with it', or 'hep' (if you can dig me, daddy-o)--you know, a stoner (heh). Oh course, nowadays it just means some d-bag with fake glasses and an unkempt, Civil War beard. Blerf!
 

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John had a lot of Hall of Fame stuff, from a museum, I still have all of the pictures, with description, but unfortunately I don't have his stories that went with them personally because when we did that one, he did all the talking and typing in there himself with a group he was sharing and storytelling with, as He was Professor D. Perhaps I could share some of his pictures in here if someone wants, I have to check and see what they are, I'm not certain, but they were treasures.
 

Walter Oobleck

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To answer Walt's question, the R&RHoF is owned by Jan Wenner, who also founded Rolling Stone magazine. Wenner hates Progressive rock. Pink Floyd was the first Prog band inducted. Genesis was finally allowed in 2008, Rush in 2014 and now, finally, Yes. Wenner is a pretentious music snob, a hipster who thinks that the only "real" rock & roll is blue collar, middle class poetry. He is, IMO, a jerk.

But I'm very happy that Yes is finally getting in, though a couple of years too late to see Chris Squire on that stage. :(

We never get off the playground, hey? Sounds like the Grand Ole Opry and who becomes a member there. Waylon, Willie and the boys? Nope. Cue Hank Junior. Don't know if it is true or not, maybe, sound possible, that Branson, Missouri's start has its roots in the closed door to some singers/song-writers. That attitude must run across the board...watching hockey, Canadian stations, and they're treatment of the Red Wings, same thing. Like there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. Next up, Seger...Even now!
 

DiO'Bolic

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You're going to wait a very long time, then. I love King Crimson and Jethro Tull and am outraged that neither has been inducted. Maybe with the opening up of voting to the public will fix that. It's what got Rush in the club. If you doubt it, watch Wenner at the start of the 2012 show when he introduces the inductees.

Face it, the R&RHoF is a private club and Wenner is the guy who decides who the "cool kids" are. Lately, fans have been putting pressure on him and his Board. It seems to have helped but there's more to do. KC and Tull next year? I'll vote if you will, DiO'Bolic :)
Attica! Attica!

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carrie's younger brother

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The term 'hipster' dates back to the Jazz culture of the '30s, actually. It gained mainstream notoriety with the Beat culture of the early-late fifties. It used to just mean someone who was 'with it', or 'hep' (if you can dig me, daddy-o)--you know, a stoner (heh). Oh course, nowadays it just means some d-bag with fake glasses and an unkempt, Civil War beard. Blerf!
Yes, I know all of that. But Jan Wenner at 70 is no hipster!
 

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To answer Walt's question, the R&RHoF is owned by Jan Wenner, who also founded Rolling Stone magazine. Wenner hates Progressive rock. Pink Floyd was the first Prog band inducted. Genesis was finally allowed in 2008, Rush in 2014 and now, finally, Yes. Wenner is a pretentious music snob, a hipster who thinks that the only "real" rock & roll is blue collar, middle class poetry. He is, IMO, a jerk.

But I'm very happy that Yes is finally getting in, though a couple of years too late to see Chris Squire on that stage. :(

Yeah, but it's really like that with almost any award. Awards are very subjective so they are never really going to please everyone (and sometimes, hardly anyone ;-D). Even coming up with a clear definition for a certain award is impossible (like no one can agree on a definition of rock n roll). There recently has even been a problem defining what literature is ;-D (the Bob Dylan award).
 

muskrat

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Yes, I know all of that. But Jan Wenner at 70 is no hipster!

A'yuh. And, to quote Kurt Cobain, the average Rolling Stone reader has always gathered moss.

The only cool thing about that magazine killed himself back in 2004:

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