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J.Fox

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Hello,

I recently became a member of the discussion board and felt that I wanted to give a bit of background about myself and what I wish to accomplish.

I was never a fan of reading; In fact all through high school I read the minimum and didn't really pick up a book until I enlisted in the armed forces shortly after my high school graduation.

I served time overseas in iraq and found myself more often than not with nothing to do during my downtime between patrols and other duties. I wrote a letter to my friend and he suggested to maybe read a book because it would help me maintain a healthy mind and take some of the much added stress away from my life.

Some time had passed since our discussion and out of the blue I received a care package from some family and friends and inside was a short series of fictional fantasy by R.A. Salvatore. I did nothing with the books for over a month, one day I decided to give the book a try, the first few chapters were kind of slow but I began to get into the book and after the second in the series I found myself wanting to read other types of fictional books.

After separating from the armed forces I went to college and obtained a bachelors in Criminal Justice. I attended additional programs to make myself more marketable, but after some time my passion for the field had become jaded and slowly started to fizzle out.

It should be noted that I am the son of factory workers, having spent some time in various factories myself I have found that it's a profession that is less than sought after for many different reasons. More recently In the past couple years I have switched jobs from retail, to food service and back to factory life.

In the past few months I decided that a career change was in order and I am currently being considered for various positions in government work.

Being a father of one, soon to be two I had a long conversation with my better half and what I wanted to accomplish in the next few years. Having taken some time to answer I told her that I wanted to eventually write a book. we furthered the conversation with what I would be interested in writing about, and how long I've thought about it.

To be honest ever since I completed my first book I had always wondered what it would be like to have a story published. A story that could maybe entertain a young man or women on the battlefield or in the bedroom.

Since our discussion, I have researched exactly what it takes to become an author and how to get your work published. In short the process at times can be very confusing and overwhelming. Anymore it is common to have an agent, and with some publishing companies it is required, even then you are not guaranteed to get the company you want or the agent who really wants to represent you.

I would very much like to hear thoughts and personal accounts from authors who have already been through the process and possibly offer some advice.

-Best,
J. Fox
 

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Welcome to the Board!

There are several published authors and many other aspiring writers who are members that I am sure can help. If you haven't already, I'd recommend getting a copy of Stephen's book, On Writing A Memoir of the Craft. It's part anecdotes and part down-to-earth, common sense tips about writing and would give you valuable information about the writing and publishing process.
 

skimom2

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Hello,

I recently became a member of the discussion board and felt that I wanted to give a bit of background about myself and what I wish to accomplish.

I was never a fan of reading; In fact all through high school I read the minimum and didn't really pick up a book until I enlisted in the armed forces shortly after my high school graduation.

I served time overseas in iraq and found myself more often than not with nothing to do during my downtime between patrols and other duties. I wrote a letter to my friend and he suggested to maybe read a book because it would help me maintain a healthy mind and take some of the much added stress away from my life.

Some time had passed since our discussion and out of the blue I received a care package from some family and friends and inside was a short series of fictional fantasy by R.A. Salvatore. I did nothing with the books for over a month, one day I decided to give the book a try, the first few chapters were kind of slow but I began to get into the book and after the second in the series I found myself wanting to read other types of fictional books.

After separating from the armed forces I went to college and obtained a bachelors in Criminal Justice. I attended additional programs to make myself more marketable, but after some time my passion for the field had become jaded and slowly started to fizzle out.

It should be noted that I am the son of factory workers, having spent some time in various factories myself I have found that it's a profession that is less than sought after for many different reasons. More recently In the past couple years I have switched jobs from retail, to food service and back to factory life.

In the past few months I decided that a career change was in order and I am currently being considered for various positions in government work.

Being a father of one, soon to be two I had a long conversation with my better half and what I wanted to accomplish in the next few years. Having taken some time to answer I told her that I wanted to eventually write a book. we furthered the conversation with what I would be interested in writing about, and how long I've thought about it.

To be honest ever since I completed my first book I had always wondered what it would be like to have a story published. A story that could maybe entertain a young man or women on the battlefield or in the bedroom.

Since our discussion, I have researched exactly what it takes to become an author and how to get your work published. In short the process at times can be very confusing and overwhelming. Anymore it is common to have an agent, and with some publishing companies it is required, even then you are not guaranteed to get the company you want or the agent who really wants to represent you.

I would very much like to hear thoughts and personal accounts from authors who have already been through the process and possibly offer some advice.

-Best,
J. Fox
These are general ideas, based on a desire to publish your work. If publishing doesn't matter to you and you just want to write for fun, have at it and enjoy :)

1-Don't get taken by the scads of websites out there that swear their 'system' the only way to write, or that it will guarantee that you'll sell every novel and make a fortune while doing it. That is crap and they are scams. There's no one way to go about writing a book. That should be noted right up front. You find what works FOR YOU, over time, if you keep at it.

2-You have a story in you or you don't. Crowdsourcing ideas is a non-goer. If you have to ask what you should write, you're nowhere near ready.

3-Have your basics down: spelling, grammar, punctuation, sentence, paragraph, and story structure. If you plan on shopping your work, know the rules and how a well-constructed story looks. Breaking those rules can be mad effective, but you have to understand when and where to do so or you just appear ignorant.

5-Know the average word count for your genre. As a first time author, that will matter if you decide to try to publish. You can write a 500 page epic, but the chances of an agent or publisher even opening it is small. The exceptions, of course, are books by established writers and those with 'ins' in the industry. SF/Fantasy is the most forgiving, because of the need for world-building, but an initial title usually tops out at no more than 150K words. Other adult genres top out at 90K (100K, if the publisher is especially generous and the story is a wower).

4-Agents: that's a tricky question. If you want to publish with the Big Five (or whatever number it is now--they've melded and reformed so many times I've lost count of who owns whom now) you will have to have an agent. Those companies do not take unagented submissions. I don't know in which direction your writing impulse is turning you, but TOR (a sci-fi/fantasy publisher) is a sometimes exception to that rule: they DO call for unagented submissions occasionally.

If you're happy with a small press, there's more wiggle room. Many of them do not require submission by an agent. Unless you just want to see your words in print and don't care how that happens, don't fall for 'vanity' presses--those that charge YOU to print your book. There's been a lot of discussion in the industry about advances: some writers don't consider any house that doesn't pay those as legitimate. My take is that many small presses might have little to no advance but offer a bigger percentage of each sale, so they're worth a look.

Many people self-pub now, as well. I'm not a fan of that option, so I'll stop there.

If you do decide to shop agents or publishing houses, Writer's Market is a great place to start. Most libraries will have a copy of the latest guide (or you can often pick up the prior year's guide at library book sales). This book is invaluable for one who is shopping their writing. It has lists of agents who are accepting submissions, and the types of writing they are looking for, as well as lists of publishers small and large and their individual requirements.

5-You'd better love what you do, because there isn't a lot of money in writing. A trade publication recently did a study of incomes for writers and found that the average is $11K/yr. Keep in mind, that figure is derived from averaging the incomes of powerhouses like Mr. King with everyone else. What that means is that there are thousands of writers who are making NOTHING or next to it after earning our their advances (if they do. Many authors don't). Even successful, critically lauded authors often have other sources of income besides their writing. In other words, keep your day job :)

6-READ, READ, READ, both books about writing (and Mr. King's is the best) and books in general. Reading refills your word-well and refines the tools with which you have to work when you sit down at your keyboard (or take up pen and paper, if that's your MO).

Good luck and have fun.
 

J.Fox

Member
May 12, 2016
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These are general ideas, based on a desire to publish your work. If publishing doesn't matter to you and you just want to write for fun, have at it and enjoy :)

1-Don't get taken by the scads of websites out there that swear their 'system' the only way to write, or that it will guarantee that you'll sell every novel and make a fortune while doing it. That is crap and they are scams. There's no one way to go about writing a book. That should be noted right up front. You find what works FOR YOU, over time, if you keep at it.

2-You have a story in you or you don't. Crowdsourcing ideas is a non-goer. If you have to ask what you should write, you're nowhere near ready.

3-Have your basics down: spelling, grammar, punctuation, sentence, paragraph, and story structure. If you plan on shopping your work, know the rules and how a well-constructed story looks. Breaking those rules can be mad effective, but you have to understand when and where to do so or you just appear ignorant.

5-Know the average word count for your genre. As a first time author, that will matter if you decide to try to publish. You can write a 500 page epic, but the chances of an agent or publisher even opening it is small. The exceptions, of course, are books by established writers and those with 'ins' in the industry. SF/Fantasy is the most forgiving, because of the need for world-building, but an initial title usually tops out at no more than 150K words. Other adult genres top out at 90K (100K, if the publisher is especially generous and the story is a wower).

4-Agents: that's a tricky question. If you want to publish with the Big Five (or whatever number it is now--they've melded and reformed so many times I've lost count of who owns whom now) you will have to have an agent. Those companies do not take unagented submissions. I don't know in which direction your writing impulse is turning you, but TOR (a sci-fi/fantasy publisher) is a sometimes exception to that rule: they DO call for unagented submissions occasionally.

If you're happy with a small press, there's more wiggle room. Many of them do not require submission by an agent. Unless you just want to see your words in print and don't care how that happens, don't fall for 'vanity' presses--those that charge YOU to print your book. There's been a lot of discussion in the industry about advances: some writers don't consider any house that doesn't pay those as legitimate. My take is that many small presses might have little to no advance but offer a bigger percentage of each sale, so they're worth a look.

Many people self-pub now, as well. I'm not a fan of that option, so I'll stop there.

If you do decide to shop agents or publishing houses, Writer's Market is a great place to start. Most libraries will have a copy of the latest guide (or you can often pick up the prior year's guide at library book sales). This book is invaluable for one who is shopping their writing. It has lists of agents who are accepting submissions, and the types of writing they are looking for, as well as lists of publishers small and large and their individual requirements.

5-You'd better love what you do, because there isn't a lot of money in writing. A trade publication recently did a study of incomes for writers and found that the average is $11K/yr. Keep in mind, that figure is derived from averaging the incomes of powerhouses like Mr. King with everyone else. What that means is that there are thousands of writers who are making NOTHING or next to it after earning our their advances (if they do. Many authors don't). Even successful, critically lauded authors often have other sources of income besides their writing. In other words, keep your day job :)

6-READ, READ, READ, both books about writing (and Mr. King's is the best) and books in general. Reading refills your word-well and refines the tools with which you have to work when you sit down at your keyboard (or take up pen and paper, if that's your MO).

Good luck and have fun.

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this break down. The information you gave me is what I was hoping to get to fill in a majority of my questions I have been searching. I have read that authors usually don't make too much, but it's just something I've been wanting to try a hand at for quite some time.
 

J.Fox

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Welcome :) I didn't read much either until I got out of school. Then I discovered SK and found out I loved to read lol.
Thanks! it's kind of embarrassing for me to be honest. I took a world literature class in college and received an A, at the end of the class I told my professor that I had only read 6 books from start to finish in my lifetime and my first one was during my deployment to the middle east. Now the number has grown quite a bit, but his reaction was priceless ;-D
 

J.Fox

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May 12, 2016
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Welcome to the Board!

There are several published authors and many other aspiring writers who are members that I am sure can help. If you haven't already, I'd recommend getting a copy of Stephen's book, On Writing A Memoir of the Craft. It's part anecdotes and part down-to-earth, common sense tips about writing and would give you valuable information about the writing and publishing process.
Thanks much, Ms. Moderator!
 

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