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Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by Dana Jean, May 2, 2014.
Is there an underground for Reborns?
While I believe that much human behavior, if not most, is learned via external influences, including parental ones, some behaviors are relatively or completely unavoidable. A child born with abnormalities of the brain cannot be expected to behave as with an unaffected brain. Also, imho, every human being is born with certain behavioral tendencies, or temperaments. While these temperaments have positive and negative attributes, to a point general behavior cannot be successfully arranged or dictated; though, can be predicted.
So, a parent shouldn't try to afford or accept total blame for a child's behavior; instead should learn which aspects a parent must teach vs those which are a simply a part of the child.
I'm further along in the story (or is it farther?) and there is an underground who is supporting a certain Reborn. And apparently, nature and nurture have no place in this society. If you are carrying one of these criminal babies, it goes. No pleading your case.
Run, baby, run!
And I guess there are other Reborns who have slipped the system and were born and have grown up. I've got about 30 pages to go, we'll see what happens in the story.
I kinda wished I hadn't been reading this thread now.. it sounds like a fantastic book--very thought-provoking reading.
It is interesting. It isn't just cloning genes, but reincarnation and they know from their criminal database when some horrible criminal is making a comeback. I'm very curious how he's going to end this.
Thank you B, for your thoughtful response. As a parent, I would (and do) feel responsible for teaching him basic (appropriate..regular...routine..positive...) interaction to assist him in his life within general society. My kid does have a brain imbalance, and needs meds daily to assist him.
Using the context of the story discussed, if my kid turned out to be a mass killer, I would feel responsible, like I failed, even if it was shown it was purely due to genetics. I failed to teach him the appropriate way to interact, societies norms, and failed to teach him how to control himself or distract himself. I would feel responsible. Yes, I know he is a completely separate being. Able to assert 'free will', but as his mom, I would blame myself.
This sounds interesting, if a bit like Minority Report. I hope it goes into wide publication
Finished the book. It was a good story that could have been a great story. I wish it would have been longer as some things happened a little too quickly there towards the end. I was suspending disbelief all the way through until this one thing, I had a hard time accepting it.
I don't want to spoil it so can't say too much for those who might be interested in it. There were a handful of typos or wording problems that threw me a bit (and I'm not a nitpicker by any means. I know this happens. When it happens too much though, I question the publisher's professionalism. Not the author's.) There was one point when the wrong character's name was used. Overall, it was an interesting plot that really had me intrigued.
You're right to do so. Some small publishers don't want to shell out for actual editors, and most eschew copy editors because of the fees/salaries a good copyeditor can demand (and rightly so--it's a very specialized skill). Too bad that spoiled some of your joy in what sounds like an interesting premise.
It reminds me of Minority Report, too.
You have caused too much interest in the story not to say more lol. Could you maybe make a spoiler and just say who the child was a reincarnation of and why the underground was protecting him? Was it an idealistic society that needed to be stirred up?
Okay, in case anyone is interested, these are huge, huge spoilers. I tell major things here.
Spoiler: Who It Was
Khan. It didn't say Genghis or Kublai but the followers he had and the way they attacked reminded me of CELL. Also, there is a girl who is sniffed out as a Reborn. She is older and apparently the underground has figured out some way to mask her DNA "smell" so she is not sniffed out if she ventures outside, which isn't often. When the "shepherds" come across her, the two main guys we follow, the lead guy reads his machine and becomes scared and incredulous. Then he drops and breaks the machine. We never find out who she is, or who they think she is. At this point, things move too fast and thoughts and ideas of people change too quickly to be believable. Certain people are put in charge who a minute ago were out to kill these reborns, (even though there was reluctance on his part) but you don't put someone in charge of an underground movement after one incident. This is where the story really needed more time to develop.
Now, this is the whole story:
Spoiler: what's it all about, alfie
Apparently, the whole premise is a lie. The government is unable to detect this DNA. Reincarnation is as unknown as it is now. But, it's the government's way of controlling the people and the population. Because, as always, anyone in a position of power or prestige is allowed to keep their so-called "reborn" baby. It's just the poor joe's who have to abort.
Thank you so much for the summary
Just to be fair here, I heard from the publisher and the copy of the book I got was an uncorrected proof. I didn't realize that. I thought it was the completed final book, and all of the mistakes have been taken care of. I am so glad to know this and it makes me feel better about the publishing house and relieved for the authors.
OK. If we buy the start. Reincarnation and so on, we also have to consider circumstances. in the case of Hitler i dont think he would have gotten far if he hadn't been i country thats just lost a major war, felt deeply that they were injustly treated and so on. So if a Hitler was born, in another kind of society, i dont think he would come to power and therefore not be as dangerous. Hitler was voted in in 1933. I dont think that would happen in a society without those qualifications that Germany had then. When he tried his coup d'etat in the 20-ties he failed and was put to jail and that is probably were he would end up if he reincarnated. Other horrible persons, like serial killers, are different. I guess their urge to do what they did could come forward in another society too.
That said i would run from everyone that tried to decide for me that i wasnt to have a child. Or wasn't to get the abortion i wanted for that matter. I'm not a woman but that is my feelings about it. I'll always say it is the mothers decision. You can advice her, point out different ways of handling it but it is her decision. So i would run if any kind of authority was after me to alter my decision.
I agree with you that if the circumstances aren't the same, the baby won't be the same. It's an interesting premise.
I don't think Osama bin Laden was born innocent. Hitler wasn't either. If they were, what the hell could have gone SO wrong that they turned into maniacally homicidal 10-ton crazy people?
I also don't understand why President Obama authorized the release of 5 prisoners, one of whom just said he's going to "make more war" on our country.
I'm not a Democrat. I was utterly surprised when in the FAQ it said "Stephen is a Democrat." I thought it was impossible.
But as for the topic, the release of the 5 people is pertinent because they've now made it clear that they really WERE guilty of it.
Someone in our family died on September 11 and he just lets the people accused of doing it go? Whatever.