The war on religion

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Shasta, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. Dana Jean
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    Dana Jean Beta Tester/Moderator Moderator

    I agree!
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  2. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Mr. Man

    It’s rather interesting to me that we say there is no war on religion on one hand, then on the other that we should tax religious organizations. But why stop there? How about Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, Social Welfare Organizations, Associations of Employees, Labor Organizations, Agricultural Organizations, Teachers’ Retirement Fund Associations, State Chartered Credit Unions, Cooperative Hospital Service Organizations, Civic Leagues (well that one we usually do hear about, usually after stating religions should be taxed LOL), etc? They all lobby to have legislation enacted which are beneficial to their causes, values and goals, right?
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  3. Moderator
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    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    Are they currently exempt from paying property taxes on real estate they own?
  4. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great and Wonderful

    I think if I am required to pay property taxes, that any organization which owns property should be required to do the same.....
  5. Moderator
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    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    I agree. They receive services from the community where they are located and should pay their fair share of the expenses just like everyone else who is a property owner.

    Being a non-profit organization does not necessarily mean that there is no profit made but the way many non-profits get around that is to pay their upper management bonuses to absorb that so that on paper it looks like no profit is being made.
  6. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Mr. Man


    Don’t honestly know. But also don’t know why it would make a difference if one tax exempt organization utilizes the money to provide a place for their people to worship, against some other type of tax exempt organization... let’s say a Labor Organization that utilizes their money towards political donations in order to lobby for favorable legislation. If you're going to tax, tax on the money received, not how it is utilized.
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  7. Moderator
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    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    Agreed, they all should at least have to pay real estate taxes on property they own IMO.
  8. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great and Wonderful

    I utilize my money toward paying for my home, and for food in order for my daughter and I to survive.....I have to pay tax on property that I own.
    Any organization whether non profit or not should have to do the same if they own property
  9. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Mr. Man

    Fair enough. You also pay taxes on all the money you bring in, therefore you should also expect everyone and everthing to pay taxes on the money they bring in, no exceptions, right?
  10. Shasta
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    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    Yes. That's why there should be a flat tax for everyone. No ifs, ands, or buts.
  11. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great and Wonderful

    Yep.... But I only pay tax on my net profit....not all that I bring in
    I think if it's fair for me to pay tax on my money, it's fair for all to do the same
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  12. Dr. Fudd
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    Dr. Fudd Bored Taster

    Check this article out about Christians being murdered in Korea. Kim Jong-Un 'orders 33 people to be executed' say South Korean press | Mail Online
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  13. Grandpa
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    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Without looking at the article, I think it's pretty obvious that Kim Jong-Un has a war declared on anything remotely human. Christians are a subset of that group. I mean, there's generations of hard-labor prisoners, who are born, grow up, and die in those prison camps, constantly subject to torture and summary execution. If one group wants to say, "Kim Jong-Un is persecuting us," they can get in line, and it's a long one. What a horrific mess that is.

    But going by reporting by Brit papers, is there a war against Islam? The news out of the Central African Republic.
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  14. Grandpa
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    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I'm with some of the others here. If you own property, then you're being served with zoning protection, utilities, stormwater drainage, streets, curb, gutter, sidewalk, police protection, fire protection, and so on. That property owner, regardless of business orientation, can pay for their portion of that use like I do.
  15. DiO'Bolic
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    DiO'Bolic Mr. Man

    I'm curious if the majority of people in your towns or cities feel the same knowing that many churches are just surviving. That they would need to increase their donations in order to pay these additional taxes, or see the churches humanitarian efforts curtailed, or see their churches shut down. Perhaps they would. Perhaps there is a war on religion and all the good they do. Perhaps the government should provide everything for all. Why should we personally care? :(
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  16. HollyGolightly
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    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    I work in a church and we do pay property tax. I think all churches do, don't they? We get a tax bill from the County and City every year and I pay it.

    Edit: I cut the check, I don't pay it from my own pocket.
  17. Grandpa
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    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I've never claimed to speak for the majority of people in my town. Or for any group of people, for that matter.

    I know plenty of businesses and frankly people who are just surviving. They still pay property taxes. I pay taxes not just on my real property but on my business property. Yes, I have to include that as a factor in how much to charge in order to (try to) turn a profit.

    I do not understand the mentality that a church should get free streets, infrastructure, police protection, fire protection, and etc., simply because they're a church (or temple or mosque or synagogue). I know a lot of good people and companies who do good things and have positive influences. It doesn't exempt them from paying their way in society.
  18. Grandpa
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    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I don't know the circumstances, and I'm no tax expert, but generally across the U.S., churches are exempt from property and other taxes. If they run a business, like a coffeeshop, on the side, then that portion may be subject to property tax.
  19. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great and Wonderful

    Currently, I'm just surviving......and I still have to pay my taxes.
    It doesn't matter to me if it's a church or any other business or organization..... why should I pay property tax, and they not have to?.....just because they are perceived as "doing good"??? I do as much good as I can, but it's really difficult to make monetary donations when I'm being taxed to death
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  20. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great and Wonderful

    Our church owns property that we are not currently utilizing....they pay property tax on that particular piece of property, but otherwise are tax exempt

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