This probably qualifies as an alienating rant

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  1. Grandpa
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    Not much humor in this one. I hope my friends who smoke don't take offense by this. It's not directed to them, or not directly.

    In my work, I send documents out. Lots of 'em. The numbers are declining, because we live in the e-age, and that's probably a good thing. But still, paper flies out the door on a daily basis.

    Let's say that I discovered that embedded in the paper was a chemical that caused people not only to get sick but also had addictive properties so they started contacting me for more shipments simply so they could keep handling this toxic paper, because they just couldn't help themselves. They handle the paper, they wear out the chemical, they want more paper, they handle it again, start to get sick, wear it out, order more, get sicker.

    Now, if that were to happen, I - and any of us moral beings - would be HORRIFIED. We'd stop sending that paper out. We'd try to recall what we'd already sent. We'd sever our connection with the paper supplier. Whatever it took, we'd do what we'd have to do, in order to stop our willful poisoning of our fellow humans.

    UNLESS we were a tobacco business developer.

    Then we'd analyze it to find out what this addictive stuff is in order to put MORE of it in there, and get it out in even MORE ways. We'd lobby legislatures to keep it legal as an informed choice of the consumer. And we'd start marketing our poison paper to younger and younger consumers to get them drawn into longer and longer addictions. Because we're building a business based on dependence of this toxic stuff that we're supplying, and young addicts make for good long-term business.

    Don't roll your eyes at me and say it's not a fair comparison. It's exactly fair. It's a vivid reflection of what has actually gone on.

    Understand, I'm not faulting the consumer in this, the smoker. At least, not too much. It's painfully obvious how harmful this legal drug is, and also painfully obviously, people will make decisions against their best interests that will harm them for life, and they're often making this choice when they're emotionally immature. And who knows. Maybe this experience will help them learn to make better decisions, like not running cars over cliffs or pointing guns at their own heads or getting face tattoos before filing to run in the next Congressional election or thinking Drano might be a good mix with Southern Comfort.

    I can fault the government to some extent, and you know the argument. If people can't buy Vicodin and heroin and hash brownies out in the free market, why are they allowed to buy tobacco products that are just as harmful? But I understand the difficulty. Tobacco is legacy-legal. We tried Prohibition to limit a legal-but-harmful product before, and that didn't work out so hot. Just because a camel has its nose in the tent doesn't mean we should let in the whole herd. (Yes, that was an intentional pun.)

    Besides, there are millions of people currently and legally addicted to tobacco, and they consider it their ongoing legal right to keep feeding their addiction. Then you factor in the supply of millions of legal guns if we decide to cut off their smokes. Hey, it could get ugly.

    But I'm not talking about the smoker. I'm not talking about the government (and so I'm bucking the current popular trend). I'm talking about the producer, the marketer, the distributor. The ones who know what they're doing to their fellow citizens when they send this crap out.

    So, speaking of Prohibition, we have a number of toasts in this world when people raise a glass of adult beverage. In Russia, we might say, "Za vashe zdorovie!" In Sweden, a toast is a skål. In Mexico, "Salud!" In Scotland, "Sláinte!" And it all translates (more or less) as, "Health!"

    When tobacco executives have drinks and clink glasses, do they say, "Addiction!" Or, "Slow degeneration and death!"? I mean, it would be a little hypocritical to toast to health when their careers, their livelihoods, are engaged in dismantling it. Unless it would be, "To health, despite us!"

    Now, if you're feeling defensive and want to point out people and companies in the cigarette industry who treat others kindly, who contribute to charity, who coach youth soccer, I believe you. That's good for them. And for that matter, I'm sure there are drug cartel leaders who are wonderful family men and caring employers. But they're still doing what they're doing, and what they're doing is a severe, often fatal, detriment to others.

    For the life of me, I can't understand how people do this willfully, to take conscious actions that they know will sicken and make addicts of people. How they can purposefully push products that they know will severely degrade others' quality of life?

    I simply don't comprehend how these folks can live with themselves doing all that, unless they're just so bereft of morality and goodwill that the welfare of their fellow humans simply doesn't matter to them, or matters less than an ongoing business model.
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  2. Bryan James
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    Nice rant Grandpa..however,there is another paper product which addicts millions of people,and there is no known cure..the result is severe cramping of their hands,from holding the books,and blurting out phrases like "thankee sai!!"..the paper product is encapsulated in a glossy covered,cardboard covering,and tends to enthrall the user for hours..so beware..:grinning:
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  4. Grandpa
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    So we convert the tobacco fields to hemp fields in order to produce the pulp to print out more of that SK drug, often habit-forming and arguably intoxicating.

    Brilliant!
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  5. Siegrid
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    In Canada the government constantly warns about the health hazards, and yet they collect billions upon billions of dollars in taxes on tobacco.
    Such hypocrisy!!!!
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    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Where are the eating aliens? I see no alien eating anything! Oh, wait, that's not what the title said....nevermind.
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  7. Grandpa
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    I just posted in the Langoliers section, if you want to jump back over that shark. ;)
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    In Canada's heath program, after spending the money on treatment for lung, heart, and systemic issues affected by tobacco, the tax revenue may well result in a net loss.
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...hmmm, I think I'll go roll up a SK paperback into a bomber joint and have a smoke while I mull over aliens anal probing Big Tobacco...
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  10. Garriga
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    I understand your frustration, but criminalizing tobacco would create another black market and give criminals control over the industry. This would endanger nonsmokers more that secondhand smoke.
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  11. Haunted
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    Haunted My favorite place

    Same in the US, some of those taxes even go to fund childrens' health programs!
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  12. fushingfeef
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    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    The good news: there's been an encouraging trend (in this country at least) to move away from cigarettes. Look at movies from 50 years ago, everyone is lighting up. When I was very young there were still cigarette commercials on TV. People smoked indoors and in public places.

    Nowadays, there is a much greater awareness of the health issues that smoking causes. Smokers are now the exception rather than the rule. Most young people I know do not smoke and have no desire to. For people who want to quit smoking, there are a variety of options (gum, the patch, etc.) available that were not in existence 30 years ago. Smoking on television and movies is absent. Things are changing, albeit slowly.
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  13. Bryan James
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    Tobacco smoking is on the way out. So are many of the folks that do it.

    Everything gets replaced though, and when money is involved, lesser mortals will chase it despite the consequences.
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    Oh, I specifically said that we can't criminalize it.

    My rant had to do with the (a)(im)morality of those who purposefully poison our people.
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  15. guido tkp
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    KUDOS, KRF !! my first thought was to start ranting about aliens eating rats...then do the ol' nevermind bit...(sigh...gilda...)

    no truer words, Gp, are spoken as you, once again, have done...

    'cept maybe by bryan james....

    however...in your rant...you forgot to mention/get into the massive amount of govt subsidies through tax breaks the tobacco industry recieves...and has...forever...

    things that make ya go hmmmmmm
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  16. Shasta
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    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    The same thing is being done to our food.
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  17. fushingfeef
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    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    The people in the industry probably tell themselves they are helping the world by providing thousands of jobs, or that if it weren't them it would be someone else. I've often wondered how lawyers can defend someone they know is guilty, but lots of them do it every day.
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    Absolutely agree, Shasta. The food of our grandparents is not the food we eat today. Even when one tries to eat "healthy" there is still the possibility of GMO, pesticides, artificial color, flavors etc. Even labels are not telling the whole truth. When we cook from scratch, bake from scratch we are not using ingredients as there were in our grandparents era. Animals are fed just about anything. Veggies are watered with often contaminated water. Big business rules.
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    mustangclaire There's petrol runnin' through my veins.

    Quit the fags a year ago. Sugar, now apparently THAT'S the new nicotine.
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    Good for you!! ("fags" is something else in the US, by the way) As much as I've been accused of being virulently anti-smoking (often by my parents, who ironically enough were both slowly killed by tobacco), my vehemence has been eclipsed any number of times by ex-smokers.

    One vice at a time. I have a weakness for certain alcohol. Now and then, I just have to stop entirely just to make sure I can.
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