Unreliable People!

[Spideyman]

Since this is a Human Resource Management course- the prof might be testing the ability of that concept.

Spoiler: definition

1. 
   Human resource management (HRM, or simply HR) is a function in organizations designed [bywhom?] to maximize employee performance in service of an employer's strategic objectives. HRis primarily concerned with the management of people within organizations, focusing on policies and on systems.

You have experience dealing with these situations at your work. Since those that did not work nor contribution to the "group"- they deserve no credit. Personally, I'd leave their names off the title page. And as skimom stated- that will open up a discussion when the prof questions the title page- you are open to answers. Make note of what you have done to maximize the students performance for this group project and lack of co operation. When an employee does not produce results they are generally asked to leave. When students refuse to do their share for a group project, they do not receive credit/ acknowledgment.

 

[skimom2]

The thing is I manage projects for a living. At work, if someone isn't pulling their weight I have disciplanary and other shaming techniques I can use to get results. In a class situation I have no other recourse other than not giving people credit.

Dang. I didn't realize you worked in a field already (I have underestimated your age--lol). I apologize for telling you what you already know :/ Probably all you can do is leave them off and move on. Professors have to know this happens.

 

[morgan]

Truth, I probably would keep quiet and burn with it. Not good.

Same here.

 

[Walter Oobleck]

Had a professor who said An education is the only thing an American is willing to pay for...and hopes he don't get.

But then, too, I read an interesting concept in a John D MacDonald story...only problem is, I've read 57 stories from John D and my notes and filing system is not up to snuff. Too, this is the Oobleck coming at you, like that old Pontiac...idon'twanna! idon'twanna! idon'twanna! cough! okay okay okay! vrrrrooom vrrrroooom vrrooom!
Wish I could find that John D quote...idea...about education. I'm off to look for it now. See? All I need is a bone, errrr, a bool hunt.

 

[Walter Oobleck]

This isn't it...but here's one I found as I am searching:
team effort is the stagnation of the race.
From One the Run, 1962, John D MacDonald...dame on the cover. Heh! He has all these covers, dame on the cover, standing in knee-deep water, her back to you, right? We're so easily distracted. Topless. Arms crossed, a bit of a sideview. in his dreams there was light and color, remembered faces and old accusations, and in his dreams his voice seemed to go on and on, explaining, justifying himself to skeptics. Story begins. 92-year-old rich guy hires another to find two orphaned grandsons. People are crazy.

I return to the hunt.

 

[Walter Oobleck]

I found it...from one of the Travis McGee stories, A Purple Place For Dying, John D MacDonald, first published January 1st 1964...just a few short months after the fateful day. Here's the quote:
education is something which should be apart from the necessities of earning a living, not a tool therefor. it needs contemplation, fallow periods, the measured and guided study of the history of man's reiteration of the most agonizing question of all: why?

I tried to do grad school way back when. I realize I'm no scholar and after I learned that then I dropped out and went back to pounding nails. I like what I do for a living, I like it now, although I got to where I despised construction, sweating under the hot Florida sun, brown as the next man and paycheck to paycheck. Not much has changed! So much seemed like a salmon rush upstream against the current. I'm in a hurry to get things done, as the song has it, Alabama. I rush and rush until life's no fun. But we time it by the semester and try to fit in as much as possible. Wasn't much different k-12. Set schedule, set testing, set parameters. No time to wonder. I am waiting for a perpetual rebirth of wonder, as the poet Ferlinghetti had it. We all are waiting.

Which all goes to say there seems to be something missing from the John D quote. Maybe there's another part to it. I'm off again.

 

[skimom2]

I found it...from one of the Travis McGee stories, A Purple Place For Dying, John D MacDonald, first published January 1st 1964...just a few short months after the fateful day. Here's the quote:
education is something which should be apart from the necessities of earning a living, not a tool therefor. it needs contemplation, fallow periods, the measured and guided study of the history of man's reiteration of the most agonizing question of all: why?

I tried to do grad school way back when. I realize I'm no scholar and after I learned that then I dropped out and went back to pounding nails. I like what I do for a living, I like it now, although I got to where I despised construction, sweating under the hot Florida sun, brown as the next man and paycheck to paycheck. Not much has changed! So much seemed like a salmon rush upstream against the current. I'm in a hurry to get things done, as the song has it, Alabama. I rush and rush until life's no fun. But we time it by the semester and try to fit in as much as possible. Wasn't much different k-12. Set schedule, set testing, set parameters. No time to wonder. I am waiting for a perpetual rebirth of wonder, as the poet Ferlinghetti had it. We all are waiting.

Which all goes to say there seems to be something missing from the John D quote. Maybe there's another part to it. I'm off again.

I really like that quote, Walter. There's a lot of truth there. Thank you!

 

[swiftdog2.0]

Dang. I didn't realize you worked in a field already (I have underestimated your age--lol). I apologize for telling you what you already know :/ Probably all you can do is leave them off and move on. Professors have to know this happens.

No worries.

I manage software development projects for a living. I don't write the code but define the business requirements and manage the technical resources that do write the code for my projects.

 

[swiftdog2.0]

OK, now the slackers have put SwiftDog into the red. That's dangerous because SwiftDogs are like race cars, and everyone knows that it's dangerous to have a race car in the red!

I heard back from one of the slackers a few minutes ago who told me "I need to give her 10 minutes to make her edits". To a paper that I wrote and she contributed no research to. Really? You need 10 more minutes at 11:30pm on the night before the paper is due after I've been hounding people for feedback for the last week?!

This is utter madness! Who does she think she is? I had to tell her to post whatever she had and I'd review it in the morning and sign off from the board. If I stayed on I would have posted some very unkind words.

I think I'm going to need some tranquilizers before class tomorrow night so I don't hurt anyone.

 

[danie]

OK, now the slackers have put SwiftDog into the red. That's dangerous because SwiftDogs are like race cars, and everyone knows that it's dangerous to have a race car in the red!

I heard back from one of the slackers a few minutes ago who told me "I need to give her 10 minutes to make her edits". To a paper that I wrote and she contributed no research to. Really? You need 10 more minutes at 11:30pm on the night before the paper is due after I've been hounding people for feedback for the last week?!

This is utter madness! Who does she think she is? I had to tell her to post whatever she had and I'd review it in the morning and sign off from the board. If I stayed on I would have posted some very unkind words.

I think I'm going to need some tranquilizers before class tomorrow night so I don't hurt anyone.

Good Luck, Swifty. You know I know how dangerous a race car is in the red!

I know you are super frustrated. The slackers really need to be called out in front of the professor.
I just went through a similar experience recently, and I just had to go somewhere else in my mind or my rage would have gotten the better of me.
Just do your part as well as you can; that's about all you can do. Sending s your way.

 

[Kurben]

I take it from the comments they are kind of like this kid......

 

[DiO'Bolic]

I had a Human Resources Management class in college and was also given a group project. There were two young girls in my group that were more interested in partying than class. They left the entire presentation up to me. They gave me no input nor asked me anything about the presentation. I gave the presentation on the current state of HR departments as primarily dedicated to protecting the company’s interests. Needless to say, it wasn’t popular with the professor. The two girls complained to the professor afterward saying they had nothing to do with my presentation. I got an ‘A’ on the presentation even though the Prof disagreed with me, because I had excellent examples to support my contention. The girls got ‘D’s’ because they essentially admitted that they didn’t make any contribution to the project.

 

[Dana Jean]

I had a Human Resources Management class in college and was also given a group project. There were two young girls in my group that were more interested in partying than class. They left the entire presentation up to me. They gave me no input nor asked me anything about the presentation. I gave the presentation on the current state of HR departments as primarily dedicated to protecting the company’s interests. Needless to say, it wasn’t popular with the professor. The two girls complained to the professor afterward saying they had nothing to do with my presentation. I got an ‘A’ on the presentation even though the Prof disagreed with me, because I had excellent examples to support my contention. The girls got ‘D’s’ because they essentially admitted that they didn’t make any contribution to the project.

And that was generous as far as I'm concerned. Lack of integrity. First they don't help and second, they threw you under that bus. No respect.

 

[arista]

This falls under I hate team building exercises and group projects. I have no sage advice others have put in more positive input. I wish you the best of luck on this Swifty.

 

[skimom2]

DD#2 is going through something similar in her college communications class. She's the youngest one in her group (16), but is taking on a lot of the work because she's worried that the others won't do it & is worried about an early college class bad grade torpedoing her college transcript and harming her chances for a scholarship when she's out of HS. People generally suck.

How did the presentation go, swiftdog2.0 ?

 

[DiO'Bolic]

And that was generous as far as I'm concerned. Lack of integrity. First they don't help and second, they threw you under that bus. No respect.

Actually, it worked out exactly as I planned all along. I’ve always been naturally devious.

I once had a marketing class where half the semester was based on making decisions for a company and then running them through a computer model. We were to be graded on profitabilly. After two weeks I convinced our group to file bankruptcy if it would be okay with the prof, thinking it would be the winning decision as it looked like everyone else would run into huge losses. I had a meeting with the professor and proposed my idea. He wasn’t happy about it, but had to allow it due to his rules of the game. We won because we had the lowest losses, and all got A’s. He scrapped the computer model, never to be used again. He also asked me never to take another of his classes.

 

[mal]

I'd ignore the situation and do the best you can, even if you have to carry a few lazy bums. Maybe the real assignment is group dynamics and the prof might actually reduce marks for those who cannot resolve internal conflict without outside interference.

 

[blunthead]

Actually, it worked out exactly as I planned all along. I’ve always been naturally devious.

I once had a marketing class where half the semester was based on making decisions for a company and then running them through a computer model. We were to be graded on profitabilly. After two weeks I convinced our group to file bankruptcy if it would be okay with the prof, thinking it would be the winning decision as it looked like everyone else would run into huge losses. I had a meeting with the professor and proposed my idea. He wasn’t happy about it, but had to allow it due to his rules of the game. We won because we had the lowest losses, and all got A’s. He scrapped the computer model, never to be used again. He also asked me never to take another of his classes.

Then your work was done.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Then your work was done.

There’s more to the story. His wife was also a professor at the college, and they detested each other immensely. I took a business class of hers the following semester. She told me about how outraged he was for the longest time over how I undermined his class and forced him to throw out the model he worked so hard on. She found it incredibly sexy and propositioned me for a better grade because of it. I told her I was flattered, but declined and said I would let my grade stand on it’s own merit. I got an ‘A-’

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Swiftdog...

Revenge is sweet and not fattening.
- Alfred Hitchcock