"We Have To Go Back" Adventures in LOST rewatching....

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Ebdim9th

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Ive kinda rewatched out of order, season three, then back to season one, and shortly to season two and then on to four.... I don't necessarily agree with the theology of LOST on all points but I believe I get it... the island is like the TARDIS, a natural, living time/space machine crossed with an angel/guardian of sorts.... there's a whole lot more to it than that but I'm just opening the thread for discussion here...
 

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Ebdim9th

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The waystation, a place in the afterlife for those who were drawn to the island to be leaders and visionaries to celebrate their lives of significance, even a resting-place for those who weren't ready to let go yet, whether Ana Lucia, or on the Island itself, whispering ghosts like Michael.... and then they would move on... not limbo per se, because it wasn't for everybody, sure there were 'angels' and 'demons' moving around in the background as bit-players, but only for the benefit of those who got called to be there, both good and evil, they got their reward too, although hopefully somewhere else... We saw this life, in season six, and the place of celebration and realization, enlightenment and preparation for the new life of the spirit to come.... some stories are a life-long journey that you discover and rediscover every time you take it. In some ways many are called but few are chosen also applies to those willing to 'go back' and see what they missed before...
 

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In season four now... The Constant is, to me, one of the better episodes of the series... Back in season one, we know someone came to the island and put a hatch in the ground and a radio tower sending out the numbers which caused Danielle's research vessel to crash there... then a very clean-cut guy named Ethan kidnapped Claire... then some very scruffy guys (and one girl, who threw the home-made bomb) kidnapped Walt. So we know from the beginning people can find the island, come and go with some pretty heavy-duty construction material, equipment and power sources, and that there are some very bad folks hiding out there now, either the same ones, or another group... so when in season four the freighter arrives that fits the history of other arrivals/comings and going on the island all the way back to season one thus making it really not much of a deus ex machina, especially when the story doesn't end there, like it does in Lord of the Flies, but keeps on going for three more seasons, counting that one...
 

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In season four now... The Constant is, to me, one of the better episodes of the series... Back in season one, we know someone came to the island and put a hatch in the ground and a radio tower sending out the numbers which caused Danielle's research vessel to crash there... then a very clean-cut guy named Ethan kidnapped Claire... then some very scruffy guys (and one girl, who threw the home-made bomb) kidnapped Walt. So we know from the beginning people can find the island, come and go with some pretty heavy-duty construction material, equipment and power sources, and that there are some very bad folks hiding out there now, either the same ones, or another group... so when in season four the freighter arrives that fits the history of other arrivals/comings and going on the island all the way back to season one thus making it really not much of a deus ex machina, especially when the story doesn't end there, like it does in Lord of the Flies, but keeps on going for three more seasons, counting that one...
You're in for some surprises!
 

Ebdim9th

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Krf... I saw LOST from some time in Season two when it originally aired... this is the tenth year celebratory rewatch for me... sadly I will not be in Hawaii for the Sept. 22 fan get-together...
 

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I had forgotten that the eighteenth epi of season one was called Deus Ex Machina... also in the Tommyknockers Gard refers to the alien ship as a deus ex machina...
 

Ebdim9th

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I never realized that the orientation video which Locke and Ecko watched in the Pearl Hatch mentioned that whoever was manning the hatch would come out periodically and ride the Pala Ferry back to the barracks... sure the tape squirrelled out to make the word 'barracks' partially unintelligible but interesting that the barracks that appear in season three were 'seeded' as an 'easter egg' in season two... not everything was that much made up as they went along with things like that... not that I ever expected LOST, any more than any other story, to be planned out in that much exhaustive detail all the way through. Even Babylon 5's five seasons were only in note cards in a binder subject to such changes like say unexpected cast departures like that of the actor who played Jeffrey Sinclair....
 

Ebdim9th

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Yes! Great gif NN... and there you are too, good to see you around the board.

More lessons I have learned from LOST: When the first Deus ex machinas are introduced in season one of LOST, the hatch, the drug runner's plane, the radio tower, the monster ("I saw into the eye of the Island, and what I saw was beautiful!" - Locke) onward in the other seasons to the Dharma pallet food drops, the other hatches, the barracks, the submarine, the freighter, time-travelling and so forth, they appear to be salvation and rescue but they always actually make thing worse rather than better. In this LOST takes it's cue from the Tommyknockers. Gard and Bobbi dig this ship out of the ground to it's hatchway. It releases radiation that appears to give the Havenites the kind of genius to make inventions that solve the world's problems. Only the air is unbreathable by human standards, the crops in Bobbi's garden are huge but inedible, and the alien builders 'ghosts' begin to transform the town's inhabitants into violent sociopaths. Inside the ship, Gard and Bobbi discover that it crashed because it's crew got into a fight and were killing each other when it hit the earth. They used their own people as batteries in a huge generator room to power the vessel. The Deus ex machina as Gard referred to it as was one that destroyed everyone and everything that was to benefit from it. In LOST, Locke started as a worker drone in a cubicle punching numbers, and the Hatch turned him back into that. Ecko was to build a church, but he wound up joining John in the cubicle punching in the numbers. So, at great cost, Desmond came along and had to blow the thing up when Locke chose self-destruction over a practical solution to the problem. The drug-runners' plane only communicated via radio with Bernard on the other side of the island, brought more heroin to tempt Charlie's life with and uselessly cost Boone his. The Dharma drop arrived just in time to make Hurley's eating disorder worse and to trap Locke with Ben/Henry in the lockdown so that the latter could mess the former's mind and faith in his miraculous healing by the island up even further, thus confusing a constructive miracle with a distracting coincidence. The barracks provided the illusion of safety, the submarine provided the dangling carrot of the illusion of escape so that Ben could control the Others, and the freighter provided the illusion of rescue while only bringing murderers and mad scientists who would get everybody stuck in a time warp which could only be escaped through more sacrifice, killing, and confusion. "... and miles to go before we sleep."
 

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Loved Lost even though I myself was Lost most of the way through it ... but I liked the ending. Not sure if I interpreted it as it was meant, but I liked the way it spun in my wierdo brain :D
 

Ebdim9th

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Like those Choose Your Own Adventure pockets in the writing process that Scott M. Gimple mentioned in an interview about the Walking Dead, LOST was a viewer-participatory show, when asked once why there was no lyric sheet in a Van Halen album, David Lee Roth said it was up to the listener's interpretation. But these things didn't sit well with many of the show's viewers.