Whitney Houston's Daughter..

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not_nadine

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I was not trying to imply that anyone was less worthy, or gawk at this. I think it is all terrible - and that documentary that I saw last night did a good job of explaining addiction and did not sensationalize the facts at all.
There were some re-inactments but for the most part it focused on the drugs/alcohol does to the human body.

As someone with my own past troubles, I know how the mind will trick you.

It was damn scary to see the effects that they have on the body - illustrated.
 
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Van Blaricum

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Ok, here's what I'm going to say... to quote Happy Gilmore, " I see what you're trying to do to me right now and I dont like it. "

You're putting words in my mouth. I don't like that. Please, don't do that. What I wrote was, " I have as much sympathy for the daughter of Whitney Houston as I have for anyone else, and for overdosed drug addicts, I don't have much. Drug addicts do it to themselves. Let this be a lesson learned to some fool out there. "

You write back quoting literature, and tell me that addicts are people and they are human. No smuck, Sherlock, I know this. I feel like you are talking down to me in a self righteous way, especially when you continue on with, " you offer me peace " as if you have some sort of holy, righteous secret, that I just don't seem blessed to have, but you're just going to give it to me. Judge not. Now, a command.

Ok then, judge not, and stop putting words into my mouth.

We have an ugly media culture that preys on the sickness and sin of addicts and fellow humans, dehumanizes people with " celebrity," and we regular folk help themselves run themselves down by tuning in. We say, " oh that poor fellow human, I hope he gets some help," or " I am so sympathetic, " but in the end we are sitting at home feeling good about ourselves, that it's not us, feeling good about the charity of our recognizing their humanity, saying self serving prayers.

After being on the street in my youth, I saw friends die from cocaine, heroin, meth addiction, pill overdoses. I spent Wednesday night weeping about an overdosed friend. I had one friend when I was younger, who ended up chopped up in garbage bags and stuffed up a chimney. Some people don't o.d. but can't cut it in real life without the addictions and kill themselves straight up. Got a long list of those all through my past too.

They were all human. Humans who threw themselves away, while other people tried to dig them out the entire time they were sinking. It's a crime to kill another, and those who do are hopefully caught and punished of breaking the hearts of the loved one left behind. But when addicts kill themselves, there's no one left behind to punish. He who pays the price is the one who couldn't make the save, and do the assist.

For the survivors of their loved one's drug deaths and the survivors of addict suicides, there is no peace, because the loss of people you loved from your life is an all encompassing permanentness, a never ending torture, a constant walk down a dark hallway with no end in sight, a never ending nightmare on a sinking ship in a torrential rain. A complete and total loss of power.

The pain, anguish, and hatred inside of inside of me, my despair in humanity, my loss of faith, is in good part, because of addictions. To say anything else would be a lie. I wear that reality since my friends started to die in this chemical wasteland.

There's no puppies, no kittens, just tough love. Addicts take my life too, every time they go away, they take a piece of me with them.

So I give up. I got nothing.
 

Lepplady

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I'm sorry, but this isn't a social statement. Shouldn't be, anyway. It's a girl that's fighting for her life. Might have lost by now. I haven't checked the headlines.

Whether it's a friend, a family member or a celebrity, an addict or suicide isn't doing it to us. They're doing it to themselves. They aren't sitting around thinking about the people that will take it personally, twist it around and make it about them. These people are going through a struggle the rest of us can't imagine because we're not inside their heads. And, for whatever reason, they feel alone and overwhelmed. Maybe instead of calling thin selfish bastards, we should think instead about how we can make the people that are still in our lives aware that they aren't alone. That we care and are here for them. Holding a grudge after the fact only hurts the person holding it. Nobody else.

It's not the media that sensationalize these matters, it's the people that buy it. If there were no demand, there would be no supply. If we want to assign blame, we need look no further than the person sitting next to us on the bus, or at the next table over at that coffee shop. Or, maybe we should look in the mirror, because here we all are, talking about it on social media, just like all those horrible, nasty people out there on the television and tabloids. We're vultures, all of us. Watching, waiting, knowing what's going to happen and poised to comment on it when it does. So before we point a finger at each other, or at the addicts that are being so sensationalized, we should take a good look at ourselves.
 

Van Blaricum

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Im not pointing a finger at anyone.

No one ever said its a social statement. After repeatedly being saddened and then finally angered by every addict I know, it has brought me to say I could care less about addicts anymore. Addicts bring it on themselves, people turning their backs on them. Like my family had to finally turn their back on my junkie uncle after he stole my grandmothers Cadillac while she was in hospice for cancer and sold it to a chop shop for heroin money. Before that he took every piece of silver from the family home. After he stole gramma's car and sold it, our family turned their back. Later he died. Guess that's our fault too. Shoulda let him move back home and steal more stuff and been nice about it.

Really why is it so important to suddenly care about a celebrities child? And to argue about it. Its not.

Every other day I open the paper, its someone or someone else. Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Whitney Houstons daughter. Everyone is sorry in the comment section and every one cares. I think people think they care. I think it's fashionable to care.

Me I care so much I no longer care.
 

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I understand what you're saying. I just wish that people would wise up to what drugs do to you. I don't care if you're a celebrity (who automatically are in the news) or an average person. I just think it's a shame that someone needs artificial means to feel good about themselves.
 

not_nadine

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According to TMZ there is a criminal investigation underway concerning the husband/boyfriend
They say there had been fighting and found bruises on her. They also said that he cleaned the place up including blood.

Terrible situation all around. The Brown family was involved in a 6-8 person brawl in the hotel they are all staying in, bottles thrown the whole bit. police came.
 

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Aw Van..sorry for your losses,we all get them as we journey through life..I just hope at some time you can put aside the anger,and hatred,I been there and done that, ones who caused death and for lost ones..now,I am just missing those I did love,and still do,and am hoping they will be there,at the clearing at the end of the path..if you follow SK,you must know about that..where we can say what needs saying,and hopefully once again enjoy our loved ones,their minds and souls..no one here is trying to one up you,there are people here who truly feel for you and hope you can find some peace,so hang in there...
 

Van Blaricum

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I really am sorry and feel for her if her husband or bf killd her. Everyone keeps saying she overdosed on drugs.

I have issues with addicts because I am recovered and I lost a lot of friends. I dont do drugs, and in the past over extended myself to too many addicts and when I lost them It hurt. In the end I feel like addicts kill themselves with drugs and don't just do it to themselves, they do it to all that care about them because we are all interconnected and what injury man does to himself man does to me we are one.

I am sorry if I seem like a rude jerk who hates people but I love people so much and get so fed up. I hate reading sad articles and hate it when bad things happen to people. I hate it when my friends keep dying. I spent a lot of time this week wondering if my one friend who died of opiate toxicity overdosed or committed suicide. We will never know. Im just mad.

Sorry if Im being a jerk. Everyone on this board talks nicely and I'm upset and this topic triggered personal trauma. I'm very sorry.
 

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I really am sorry and feel for her if her husband or bf killd her. Everyone keeps saying she overdosed on drugs.

I have issues with addicts because I am recovered and I lost a lot of friends. I dont do drugs, and in the past over extended myself to too many addicts and when I lost them It hurt. In the end I feel like addicts kill themselves with drugs and don't just do it to themselves, they do it to all that care about them because we are all interconnected and what injury man does to himself man does to me we are one.

I am sorry if I seem like a rude jerk who hates people but I love people so much and get so fed up. I hate reading sad articles and hate it when bad things happen to people. I hate it when my friends keep dying. I spent a lot of time this week wondering if my one friend who died of opiate toxicity overdosed or committed suicide. We will never know. Im just mad.

Sorry if Im being a jerk. Everyone on this board talks nicely and I'm upset and this topic triggered personal trauma. I'm very sorry.
It's okay... really it is. It is so difficult to remain calm over something that we are deeply affected by--passion is a good thing. :)
 

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If the husband killed her, he should be charged. Of course. But if they want to look for who to blame, they need look no further than her parents. Her father, in particular. With such a toxic influence on her since before her birth, that kid never stood a chance.
 

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I really am sorry and feel for her if her husband or bf killd her. Everyone keeps saying she overdosed on drugs.

I have issues with addicts because I am recovered and I lost a lot of friends. I dont do drugs, and in the past over extended myself to too many addicts and when I lost them It hurt. In the end I feel like addicts kill themselves with drugs and don't just do it to themselves, they do it to all that care about them because we are all interconnected and what injury man does to himself man does to me we are one.

I am sorry if I seem like a rude jerk who hates people but I love people so much and get so fed up. I hate reading sad articles and hate it when bad things happen to people. I hate it when my friends keep dying. I spent a lot of time this week wondering if my one friend who died of opiate toxicity overdosed or committed suicide. We will never know. Im just mad.

Sorry if Im being a jerk. Everyone on this board talks nicely and I'm upset and this topic triggered personal trauma. I'm very sorry.
You're not a jerk. You're telling your truth, which in some ways corresponds quite well with my truth.

I think watching people you love destroy themselves generally triggers, among other feelings, anger. Addiction is a tricky thing; some people are more prone than others. Some people win the fight to come back from it, and some people don't, and I don't know if we'll ever completely understand why.

No one likes feeling that they weren't more important than the pills, the needle, the powder, the cravings that a loved one felt, and yet, too many people have to go through that. It's understandable that that causes a very deep and painful anger, and it's also understandable that someone might say "I refuse to allow this person who, by conscious or unconscious choice continues to be destructive to himself and others, access to my life."
 

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I really am sorry and feel for her if her husband or bf killd her. Everyone keeps saying she overdosed on drugs.

I have issues with addicts because I am recovered and I lost a lot of friends. I dont do drugs, and in the past over extended myself to too many addicts and when I lost them It hurt. In the end I feel like addicts kill themselves with drugs and don't just do it to themselves, they do it to all that care about them because we are all interconnected and what injury man does to himself man does to me we are one.

I am sorry if I seem like a rude jerk who hates people but I love people so much and get so fed up. I hate reading sad articles and hate it when bad things happen to people. I hate it when my friends keep dying. I spent a lot of time this week wondering if my one friend who died of opiate toxicity overdosed or committed suicide. We will never know. Im just mad.

Sorry if Im being a jerk. Everyone on this board talks nicely and I'm upset and this topic triggered personal trauma. I'm very sorry.

Not a jerk at all. I've been there, too (not as an addict, though I could easily be one, but through losses to drugs & depression). It makes me furious and devastates me so much that I disconnect. What I had to learn is that you can't live someone else's life, no matter how much you want to, and most of the time we just can't have any idea what's going on in someone's else head and heart. Support where we can (what is allowed by the addict) and let the rest go. Maybe that sounds heartless, but the alternative is crying for the world forever. I won't do that.
 

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Losing people is so hard,we tend to reflect on the person's best qualities,and what was lost,and wasted..makes it doubly painful..

So true! Selective job by Norm Maclean in writing the book, as shown by one of several such articles. The other Maclean : Uncategorized Selective job in the movie's portrayal of Paul. They had him as much more tolerant and patient, rather than kicking Rawhide as he did in the book! (Also he looked way too good for someone supposed to be an alcoholic.)

I knew a fellow with a brother with traits similar to Paul's. The movie came out after he died in a car accident in which alcohol probably played a role although the only person killed was not the one driving. (One person, probably drinking, parked to sleep it off in a truck sticking partway in the highway. Another person, coming back very late from drinking, failed to see it and struck it.) Anyhow, the brother, who was never at a loss for words, certainly was after seeing this movie! Although the word "help" appears a lot in the book, the line which destroyed him does not--something like, "Why are the people who need help the most unable to ask for it?"
 
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It is starting to look more and more suspicious.... If they have found things on her body and the police are starting a crime investigation and are saying that the husband and his friend are interesting there are probably more to the story than an OD and tumbling facedown in the tub.
 

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I really am sorry and feel for her if her husband or bf killd her. Everyone keeps saying she overdosed on drugs.

I have issues with addicts because I am recovered and I lost a lot of friends. I dont do drugs, and in the past over extended myself to too many addicts and when I lost them It hurt. In the end I feel like addicts kill themselves with drugs and don't just do it to themselves, they do it to all that care about them because we are all interconnected and what injury man does to himself man does to me we are one.

I am sorry if I seem like a rude jerk who hates people but I love people so much and get so fed up. I hate reading sad articles and hate it when bad things happen to people. I hate it when my friends keep dying. I spent a lot of time this week wondering if my one friend who died of opiate toxicity overdosed or committed suicide. We will never know. Im just mad.

Sorry if Im being a jerk. Everyone on this board talks nicely and I'm upset and this topic triggered personal trauma. I'm very sorry.
You're not a jerk. You're entitled to your opinion as are others here. We all have our own baggage (H*ll, I have an entire luggage factory inside of me!). While I don't personally know Booby Christina or anyone in her family, I do feel bad for her and what has happened, as I would if she were a daughter of a co-worker. I feel badly when things like this happen to anyone.
 

mjs9153

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So true! Selective job by Norm Maclean in writing the book, as shown by one of several such articles. The other Maclean : Uncategorized Selective job in the movie's portrayal of Paul. They had him as much more tolerant and patient, rather than kicking Rawhide as he did in the book! (Also he looked way too good for someone supposed to be an alcoholic.)

I knew a fellow with a brother with traits similar to Paul's. The movie came out after he died in a car accident in which alcohol probably played a role although the only person killed was not the one driving. (One person, probably drinking, parked to sleep it off in a truck sticking partway in the highway. Another person, coming back very late from drinking, failed to see it and struck it.) Anyhow, the brother, who was never at a loss for words, certainly was after seeing this movie! Although the word "help" appears a lot in the book, the line which destroyed him does not--something like, "Why are the people who need help the most unable to ask for it?"
Yes,I liked the ending very much,particularly Tom Skerrit's sermon as the father of the boys..life,and people,are a mystery..
 

not_nadine

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What a sad mess this is.



As Bobbi Kristina lays near death ... the family is discussing funeral plans, but we're told the Browns are preparing for war because of the way they were treated when Whitney Houston died.

Sources connected with the Brown family tell TMZ ... they are a united front to this extent -- they refuse to be disrespected the way they feel they were at Whitney's funeral.

You may recall ... Bobby Brown stormed out of the funeral after security refused to let him sit with Bobbi Kristina during the service. Bobby told us at the time ... he was also furious the Houstons were angry that he dared to bring 9 members of his family with him.

We're told the feud has already reignited. Houston family security set up a perimeter around Bobbi Kristina's room shortly after she was taken to the hospital and there was a passcode to gain entrance. Many people in the Brown family were not given the code and it caused an uproar.

As one Brown family member told us, "If something happens to Bobbi Kristina, we will not be treated like children."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3R9wmTUC0