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Ummmm... no. That is a rather broad interpretation. A subsequent development would be Stephen King writing another book. If all it takes to to be a sequel is a subsequent development, every bit of fan fiction ever written is a sequel. There is only one author of the series. He writes the books. He might provide the rights for people to make movies of his works, but he retains the right to do the next book, i.e. continue the story. Anything based on something written by someone else, is not a sequel. Sorry. My standards of fiction are simply the same as the copyright.

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By your logic, we have seen sequels (MANY OF THEM) to Children of the Corn, Pet Semetary, etc. :) I don't believe any of us think of those as sequels either.

there's a difference here. king didn't really have anything to do with those sequels. he's directly involved in promoting this movie. so that lends it the weight of canon, regardless of whether he wrote it. he didn't write all the comic book stories either, but he had input and some kind of involvement, correct?

I think that this movie will more than likely fit into the Dark Tower universe in much the same way that the last three Star Trek films fit into that universe.

Do those stories build upon and continue the main story?
Yes.
...and no.

I think the idea behind that first Trek reboot/sequel was pure genius, though. They basically said, 'hey, guys! Here's the new Star Trek! It's in an alternate universe, so now we can do whatever we want, and you'll have no room to ever complain about us changing any plot points!'

That being said, if I were a Trek fan, I would have been offended by the first reboot. (Which I opine is just a Star Wars fan-fic with a Star Trek wrapper, including all popular catch-phrases.) I enjoyed it, but I never felt like I was really watching Star Trek. I, admittedly, was never really into Star Trek, though. (I'm more of a Star Wars guy (who dislikes Episode VII, but doesn't pretend that it isn't the new Star Wars), do ye ken.)

jj abrams may be ok at some things, but i'm angry at hollywood for allowing him to get his hands on both star trek and star wars. laziest, crappiest additions to both universes. he made mindless popcorn flicks and slapped the franchise names on them.


regarding dark tower, i'm hoping the same doesn't happen to them, but idris elba's casting ranks pretty much dead last on my list of concerns. appearances aren't a problem. spirit of the story is. and while detta and roland had their subplot about racism, it wasn't the most important plot point in the book by any means, so getting so hung up on it is a bit weird to me. there are multiple ways around it. there was never going to be a spot on adaptation of the dark tower. harry potter had 8 films (a major accomplishment for a book series to begin with) and they had to leave things out too.
 

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there's a difference here. king didn't really have anything to do with those sequels. he's directly involved in promoting this movie. so that lends it the weight of canon, regardless of whether he wrote it. he didn't write all the comic book stories either, but he had input and some kind of involvement, correct?

He has promoted movies before and that didn't make them canon either. King always roots for the movies to be good. I'm afraid I have a very narrow mind when it comes to this subject. Canon is written by the author, period. I think the comics are great (awesome in fact), but that doesn't make them canon. If/when Stephen King writes a new book that follows Roland on another turn of the wheel, that will be canon. For me the story of Roland will remain at that ending which many others found infuriating. I found it quite satisfying; it was the only thing supported by what had come before.
 

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He has promoted movies before and that didn't make them canon either. King always roots for the movies to be good. I'm afraid I have a very narrow mind when it comes to this subject. Canon is written by the author, period. I think the comics are great (awesome in fact), but that doesn't make them canon. If/when Stephen King writes a new book that follows Roland on another turn of the wheel, that will be canon. For me the story of Roland will remain at that ending which many others found infuriating. I found it quite satisfying; it was the only thing supported by what had come before.
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I know length is no indication of quality (GNTLGNT there's material for your next meme, you're welcome; also: TWSS), but this film is only 95 minutes.

I continue to be under-whelmed by everything I've seen so far about this project.

THE DARK TOWER | British Board of Film Classification

That actually makes me hopeful that this will be an action-filled movie. :) Shorter is better for comedy, action, and horror movies, if the director is smart and keeps a tight rein. Keeps the film moving fast and hot, the way those kinds of movies should move.
 

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He has promoted movies before and that didn't make them canon either. King always roots for the movies to be good. I'm afraid I have a very narrow mind when it comes to this subject. Canon is written by the author, period. I think the comics are great (awesome in fact), but that doesn't make them canon. If/when Stephen King writes a new book that follows Roland on another turn of the wheel, that will be canon. For me the story of Roland will remain at that ending which many others found infuriating. I found it quite satisfying; it was the only thing supported by what had come before.

I don't think the canon argument is that serious to begin with, adaptations of books are usually just that, adaptations. They don't usually do much to change canon of written works. Just pointing out the fallacy behind those particular examples you were using, seeing as how he wasn't remotely involved in those.
 
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I don't think the canon argument is that serious to begin with, adaptations of books are usually just that, adaptations. They don't usually do much to change canon of written works. Just pointing out the fallacy behind those particular examples you were using, seeing as how he wasn't remotely involved in those.

I don't think canon as an argument or discussion is serious either. It seems important to OTHER people to try and force some sort of stamp of authenticity on this film (and sometimes others) which it will never have. It is a film, whose script was written by someone other than the author. It may be good. It may be bad. It will never be anything more than just a film. This need by some to try and demand that the rest of us accept the film is the sequel is both suspect and annoying. When King writes a sequel, there will be one. The film (good or bad) is someone else telling their OWN story with permission to do their own thing using tools he created, nothing more or less.

I feel the same way about continuations of the work of authors even when it is also in book form. For example, there are lots of great books depicting Conan. I think many of those authors are wonderful. It is fun to read them. They are not sequels. They are not canon (as weighty and odorous as that word may be). I don't care if the estate of Howard (or whomever holds the rights) sells them. One man created Conan, and only his books are truly canon. The rest is just fan fiction, some of it written by professionals and some of it written by hacks. I'm not saying we can't enjoy it. I'm saying don't attribute something to it that it is not.
 

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That actually makes me hopeful that this will be an action-filled movie. :) Shorter is better for comedy, action, and horror movies, if the director is smart and keeps a tight rein. Keeps the film moving fast and hot, the way those kinds of movies should move.

From what I've see and read so far (the latter from the creative team behind the film), I think we're definitely getting a great action movie. I'm just hoping it's more than that.
 

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I don't think canon as an argument or discussion is serious either. It seems important to OTHER people to try and force some sort of stamp of authenticity on this film (and sometimes others) which it will never have. It is a film, whose script was written by someone other than the author. It may be good. It may be bad. It will never be anything more than just a film. This need by some to try and demand that the rest of us accept the film is the sequel is both suspect and annoying. When King writes a sequel, there will be one. The film (good or bad) is someone else telling their OWN story with permission to do their own thing using tools he created, nothing more or less.

I feel the same way about continuations of the work of authors even when it is also in book form. For example, there are lots of great books depicting Conan. I think many of those authors are wonderful. It is fun to read them. They are not sequels. They are not canon (as weighty and odorous as that word may be). I don't care if the estate of Howard (or whomever holds the rights) sells them. One man created Conan, and only his books are truly canon. The rest is just fan fiction, some of it written by professionals and some of it written by hacks. I'm not saying we can't enjoy it. I'm saying don't attribute something to it that it is not.

i don't think it's a case of trying to force something down people's throats as canon, as much as it is an explanation for the differences. calling it a continuation of the story doesn't mean you have to accept it as canon. i think people are using the word sequel as an easy way to explain what it is. it's set after what happened in the books only this time somewhere in the setting of the first book's portion of the journey, roland gets sidetracked into new york with jake, therefore, sequel. not a technical sequel, more of a quasi sequel. i'm realistic when it comes to adaptations. most of them aren't really spot on, i just want them not to suck so i can enjoy them for what they are. doesn't mean they'll ever overtake the books, or change our interpretation of them, even if they chart new territory. nor should they.
 

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i don't think it's a case of trying to force something down people's throats as canon, as much as it is an explanation for the differences. calling it a continuation of the story doesn't mean you have to accept it as canon. i think people are using the word sequel as an easy way to explain what it is. it's set after what happened in the books only this time somewhere in the setting of the first book's portion of the journey, roland gets sidetracked into new york with jake, therefore, sequel. not a technical sequel, more of a quasi sequel. i'm realistic when it comes to adaptations. most of them aren't really spot on, i just want them not to suck so i can enjoy them for what they are. doesn't mean they'll ever overtake the books, or change our interpretation of them, even if they chart new territory. nor should they.

Make no mistake, there are people (at this very site no less) who are very insistent that it must be accepted as CANON, and in all uppercase just like that. :) Any suggestion that it is anything less seems to upset them or at the very least make them want to argue with you. :) I'm perfectly content to accept the film as somebody's idea of what comes next, although it certainly isn't my idea of what comes next. My personal view is that the Gunslinger and Man In Black that seem to be caught in this repeating cycle. It is my personal belief that the next turn of the wheel for Roland would be with different companions. Who/what truly chooses the people whose lives he intersects is clearly the domain of the Tower. Consider that each of his companions were people whose lives were out of whack largely due to the actions of fate or others. They were good people set adrift or damned slowly and surely by something unkind.
Even Jake, whom was selected by the Man in Black, was adrift even before being shoved in front of a car.
Their intersection with the Gunslinger saved their souls. It would be, in my opinion, rather strange to just rehash them again when their destinies and fates were already set right. I suppose that is one of the key reasons I do not like this alternate reality sequel rehashing them over again too.

It has always been my opinion that Roland's next turn of the wheel would involve new people with different problems and gifts. More than likely the Tower would also have chosen them so that the intersection would correct some imbalance. Likewise, said people also leave their mark on Roland. His companions always save as much as they are saved. I tend to think of Roland as one of those unique people who does not have Twinners. I don't know that to be true, but it feels right. Of course, I'm illustrating the problem of someone other than the actual author writing sequels right now. I wouldn't do it the way they are doing it. I would have my own vision, my own story of what comes next. Time in the Keystone World would continue only forward as it must. It means the tale of Eddie, Suze, and Jake is done. That is just my two cents. To be honest, although some people want to see
Roland reach the Tower in black and white, I'm not one of them. The whole cliche that it is about the journey, not the destination is still a true cliche. We know that he will one day reach it. The horn was assurance of that, but I'm not certain it would be satisfying to actually achieve it. The promise is enough.
The journey is enough. I like the Gunslinger right where we left him last.
 
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Can I just say that if I had seen this trailer without knowing the books (or if it was a genuinely original film with no connection to a book series) I'd have been enthralled by what looks like an awesome mixed genre fantasy with a magic cowboy fighting zombies and such? It's this movie's tenuous connection to something already well established (that I really wanted to see a more faithful, or at least recognizable, adaptation of) that hurts it for me.

It could still be a good (or even great) film in its own right, but it's hard for me to think of it as related to book series- and such a large divergence can be frustrating for both established fans of the books and new fans who end up loving the movie.
 
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I've been waiting for this movie for over a decade and I'm sorry to say, but my expectations are very low.

That is a good thing, because if the movie gets over 65% at Rotten Tomatoes I will consider it a win. I want the Dark Tower to become the new Star Wars or Game of Thrones. If done right it can be just as successful as those two franchise. What other movie or tv franchise combines fantasy, western, horror, and sci-fi in the same story? Wizard and Glass had a witch, wizard, robot train, gunslingers, ranchers, and a magic orb all in the same book. That is awesome.

I will definitely be in the movie theaters on August 4th, and I will be very disappointed if the movies doesn't begin with the "the dark man fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed".

I'm willing to overlook Roland being black (and I'm black btw), I'm willing to overlook Matthew M playing Walter, and I'm willing to accept the fact that this is a continuation of DT7 and not a faithful adaption.....however I am not willing to overlook the colossal failure it would be if they do not begin this franchise with Idras Elba chasing Matthew M across a freaking desert.

*fingers are crossed*
 

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I've been waiting for this movie for over a decade and I'm sorry to say, but my expectations are very low.

That is a good thing, because if the movie gets over 65% at Rotten Tomatoes I will consider it a win. I want the Dark Tower to become the new Star Wars or Game of Thrones. If done right it can be just as successful as those two franchise. What other movie or tv franchise combines fantasy, western, horror, and sci-fi in the same story? Wizard and Glass had a witch, wizard, robot train, gunslingers, ranchers, and a magic orb all in the same book. That is awesome.

I will definitely be in the movie theaters on August 4th, and I will be very disappointed if the movies doesn't begin with the "the dark man fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed".

I'm willing to overlook Roland being black (and I'm black btw), I'm willing to overlook Matthew M playing Walter, and I'm willing to accept the fact that this is a continuation of DT7 and not a faithful adaption.....however I am not willing to overlook the colossal failure it would be if they do not begin this franchise with Idras Elba chasing Matthew M across a freaking desert.

*fingers are crossed*

from all indications this movie takes the first book and just jumps to new york halfway through instead of going the regular route, so i'd say we'll get at least some desert
 
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seeing a short video/trailer floating around for the movie that's chock full of king references. 9 in one short video at least. hopefully it means the movie has even more. could be a fun little exercise while watching it to spot them.
 

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the man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...
again!

just wrapping up DT7 now - SK has just been squished by the van... oh discordia
 
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