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29% of American Adults are Scientifically Illiterate

Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by Jordan, Apr 29, 2014.


Do vaccines cause autism?

  1. Yes

    5 vote(s)
  2. No

    39 vote(s)
  1. bookworm101

    bookworm101 yea, ok, whatever. enjoy your day.

    My granddaughter had an allergic reaction to the whooping cough vaccine at 4 months old. Her little brain swelled to the point it made her left eye cross. Poor thing spent 5 days in pediatric intensive care with vomiting and fever. Baby then had to wear at patch on right eye to make left eye straighten out for six weeks. Doctors said the reaction was rare and not to give her another whooping cough vaccine. They could not tell us if brain damage was done till she reached 18 months. Thank God this was not the case. Gabi has above intelligence she is now in the second grade and reads on a fifth grade level. The Doctors were concerned of possible brain damage due to the swelling not the vaccine, but the vision in her left eye is weaker than the right and she may need glasses in the future.
  2. Jordan

    Jordan Webmaster-at-Large Administrator Moderator

    There is a risk (even of death) with all vaccines, but there is a statistically greater risk involved with not getting them (not to mention the harm it does to society).

    As far as the "overload" idea goes, it's been fairly well debunked.

    Myth: Vaccines overload the immune system. Fact: Considering that the immune system faces constant bombardment from microbes in the environment, the small amount of bacteria and viruses in one vaccination can barely be considered an assault. In fact, vaccines strengthen the immune system by arming it against infectious agents.

    (Source: Vaccinations: Separating myth from reality - Harvard Women's Health Watch)
  3. bookworm101

    bookworm101 yea, ok, whatever. enjoy your day.

    We still believe in vaccines. Gabi continued with the rest of her shots except of course whooping cough and her little sister has her vaccines. Alley had no problems. The girls pediatrician did make Alley stay at his office for an hour after her second whooping cough shot just to watch her and make sure there were no problems. Both girls are fine and up to date. Gabi has a note from her pediatrician in her school file stating she can not take the whooping cough vaccine.
  4. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I'll tell you one suspicion of mine. We're trying to become more and more of an antiseptic society. Wipes available for after you open a door. Or push an elevator button, for goodness sake.

    I understand we don't want to get other people's germs. However, experiencing ambient microorganisms is a part of daily life, developed through evolution over millions of years. The more we reduce our system's familiarity with those things, the more we weaken ourselves for when the more virulent ones come sauntering through.
    Holly Gibney, mal, mjs9153 and 12 others like this.
  5. Sundrop

    Sundrop Sunny the Great & Wonderful

    I agree....She hasn't gotten that one yet, and won't until I'm happy with the research/reasoning. I am leaning toward it, though....if it can help prevent a certain type of cancer and HPV....She's just 12, so I have time to weigh the pros and cons.

    I was mostly just making the comparison about the differing views of her father and me....and his version or "reasoning".
  6. bookworm101

    bookworm101 yea, ok, whatever. enjoy your day.

    I don't use antibacterial anything. Just plain old soap. I do bleach or Lysol if sickness is in the house. Germs don't go away they just mutate and grow stronger. Least that is what I was taught in college in biology.
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  7. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    Aye, plus killing bacteria which are harmless to us encourages mutation into new bacteria which might be harmful to us.
    mal, mjs9153, shookme and 10 others like this.
  8. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    Did I tell you about the man who drank a glass of his own urine every day? Said it helped. Kept him healthy. Lived to be 92...in the shade. What'd he do is fill a small glass and stick it in the refrigerator, let it chill. You do not to drink warm piss, my guess. And then at some point, down the hatch. And here we thought vampires had all the fun.
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  9. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    Yep... I'm still trying to get the (thought of the) taste out of my mouth. :biggrin2:
    mal, blunthead, shookme and 7 others like this.
  10. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Good old Mom used to say "You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die"
  11. danie

    danie I am whatever you say I am.

    I would like to second this, eversomuch.
    My students are constantly using Germ-X every time they touch anything, from desktops, to pencils, to sneezing their own germs into their own hands.
    I've read studies where children who use antiseptic gel a great deal tend to get more illnesses than those who don't. The good microbes are killed along with the bad, and, as Gpa said, their systems are weakened.
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  12. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    My son, also in the Marines (he was a real Marine), said during some stage of survival training, they drank their own urine.

    That thought was not endearing to his now-wife, i.e., our Beloved Daughter-In-Law.
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  13. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    The hygiene hypothesis: Obsession with germ-free environments, air-tight homes, and smaller families (and I might add, the tendency to stay indoors more for recreation) have led to an increase in allergies and higher susceptibility to traditionally more benign pathogens.

    I don't have studies, but as a logical matter, I rather buy into it.
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  14. Jordan

    Jordan Webmaster-at-Large Administrator Moderator

    The simplest thought is that we're creating our own super bugs. If the antiseptics kill 99.8% of the germs, we're leaving behind 0.2% that are immune to the antiseptic. In a way, we're engineering our own destruction.
    mal, blunthead, shookme and 9 others like this.
  15. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    mal, blunthead, shookme and 2 others like this.
  16. Lily Sawyer

    Lily Sawyer B-dazzled

    I've gotten a flu shot every year for the past 10 years. In Year Two, I came down with a strain of flu that kicked my ass all the way from L.A. to Cuba and back. I was so sick even my hair follicles hurt. But I haven't been sick since, so I'm living proof that the strain I had wasn't what was in my vaccine dose.

    I quit using anti-bacterial soap every time I washed my hands at my kitchen sink. It has to do with your own cooties and funk - you have to maintain a certain level of germs in order to stay healthy. I don't condone not washing your hands after you sneeze or if you have a cold, but wiping every surface down with anti-bacterial whatever every time you clean? No, thank you.
    mal, blunthead, shookme and 5 others like this.
  17. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

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  18. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    To each his own - I have a terrible history with flu shots so for me, at least, I am not going anywhere near those things again. I was allergic to eggs as a child so I am unsure if that has anything to do with it.
  19. Lily Sawyer

    Lily Sawyer B-dazzled

    Yes! Eggs have much to do with flu vaccines. Most are egg-based, and that's why you had a hard time with them.
    The one thing a flu shot didn't protect me from was mono. (Big shocker.) Doing a face-plant in bed for the first six months of 2012 was so not fun.
  20. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    I think I'm doing pretty darn good if I know enough not to ingest a roll of peppermint mentos and drink a liter of diet coke. Yep, I'm pretty darn smart!

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