castle rock episode talk.. Spoilers Ahead, spoilers Ahead

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preciousroy

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The one question I have, assuming The Kids story was a fabrication then where did Henry Deaver go for the 5 days he was missing in the woods? The Kids story explained where he was but if that was fabrication then there is no explanation for this missing time. Or did I miss something?
I don't necessarily think the Kid's story needed to be real for the schisma to be real but it is worth noting that we never see it as a point of intersection anywhere else in the series. That's something I hadn't considered.
 

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The one question I have, assuming The Kids story was a fabrication then where did Henry Deaver go for the 5 days he was missing in the woods? The Kids story explained where he was but if that was fabrication then there is no explanation for this missing time. Or did I miss something?
this is how i took it to mean. I think that the kid was being truthful about his past and how he ended up with lacy and in our world or the world with the black henery deaver. I think he turned a bit evil while he was locked up for 27 years. or he had a bit of evil in him and he used it to make sense or to somehow try and get back to his world. if you listen to the narration at the start of this episode it kind of explains this kind of,. I think they left it open and may come back to it soon. the writters or someone tweeted out that for one Henry deaver to be free one had to be locked up. it makes scenes that the black Henry deaver is free as we do need some characters for next season.. i think that will be Wendell, Henry and Jackie. and possibly molly will come back. that being said i do want to re-watch the entire show again
 

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One of the reasons I believe the kid's alternate reality story to be fake was that it was told for Molly's benefit. His version of history absolved her of the murder of Pastor Deaver. As a result she wasn't weighted down by her psychic abilities but rather augmented. She was open to them instead of drowning them out with opiates. She was also successful and happy and most importantly, not awkward. Her sister was the dumb one and was reliant on Molly instead of the opposite that we see earlier in the series. The kid had to convince Molly if he wanted to convince Deaver. In fact, Molly was the one who passed the crucial information to Deaver which led to the capture of the kid, leading to the two of them being stuck in the same cell together. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear. Luckily, she was smart enough to follow her intuition.
hmm that is a very good point, i never thought of that. i am going to go back and re-watch the show this week i think. you may be correct
 
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I found another couple details to support one of my theories
Young Molly tells young Deaver that she feels it when he plays with his "thingie". As a youth she admitted to him that she has psychic powers. Adult Deaver doesn't recall this detail about their relationship and not only has to be informed by adult Molly but also convinced. This supports my theory that we're watching multiple timelines playout while being presented as one.
by "thingie" are we talking about a mans private part? or the scisma
 
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I feel like the story took a huge directional shift starting with episode 8, and that may have been late in the game to change things up so much.

However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

Two questions I have

1) if the Kid is telling the truth, why is his presence so disruptive. Why would it cause people to behave the way they do? and
2) if the Kid is telling the truth, why doesn't he age?

I feel like the writers were trying to loop in The Dark Half (the sparrows are flying again), with the implication that perhaps George Stark really was Thad, but from a different timeline.

In the final analysis, the story ended almost exactly where it started, but with a different jailer. Or is it Henry who is trapped? That would seem to be the case. No longer defending death row clients, but routine cases.

Whatever the truth, for the time being at least, evil is bottled up once again in Castle Rock.
i think they left it opean to the vewier to decide.
 
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What does Molly know?
Despite her psychic powers she never gives off any indication that she knows about how jumbled Ruth's head is. In one episode Ruth is clearly distressed by the Kid and Molly knocks at the door showing no sign of reading Ruth's internal terror. We see Molly swallow four Oxycontin on one occasion so I just assumed she happened to be in a dulled state when she was around Ruth. Molly also said listening to the Kid is like hearing the whole towns negativity, so it could be allowed that she could have mistaken what Ruth was feeling for what he may have been projecting.

But she knew about one of the alternate realities well enough to talk Ruth down from the bridge. She knew that in at least one world Ruth ran away with Alan and left Deaver behind. Perhaps she knows more than we're led to believe.

Then again maybe her psychic abilities allowed her to see Ruth's alternates because Ruth could see them already.
 

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I watch it tell the end. I don't think the kid was lying in his story. I think he needed a key to open the door. Not all people can hear the doors..the sound in the woods. I think guy lock up really was from another world. But to go back home he needed Henry to be his key to unlock the door. I get feeling he couldn't go back unless Henry came with him. That some people cloud pass thru all time.But stuck people need one of those people to get back. Not everyone that hears it can go thru. Not always same people from the same world. Like when kid was passing thru he saw what look like 80 check cutting her wrist or guys running from the law.

The kid could have had something evil backpack on him. When you go thru ...you pick up something. Maybe unbalance or something that in between the worlds. It seems when someone out of place is running around the evil comes with them. When he in a cage one...spot..evil things still happen.. But in the end..all endings and no endings can be right. It was up to the viewer..I kind like that......
 

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Well, I have watched the entire series. Hate to say this, but I did not like it. Just didn't grab me. I think most others here liked it, which is good to hear.

I originally thought the series was going to be a straight anthology (this was during the early reporting about the show), but eventually realized it was going to be a traditional episodic. Fair enough. But I thought it might be like The X Files and have standalone episodes. It did not. I think that might have been the better way to go, but I have to say, I have never seen the show Haven, but I think that series may have followed such format? If so, then perhaps Abrams did not want to appear to be copying that product. I would have loved to experience an episode with It visiting the Rock, or maybe a gypsy caravan drive in and put a curse on someone, making them fatter instead of thinner. Oh well...

The show did nail one thing, though...the writers did a great impression of King's voice. The dialogue made me think I was listening to an audio book. Seriously, they nailed his voice. (Just one quick example, going on memory: Remember the scene where Deaver says something to that prison-guard kid like he has to speak up and identify the corruption, and he replies something like do you see the diapers in the back of my car? That's exactly how King would have had a character respond: with a clever, unusual response that is both witty and sad.) Maybe that's the problem...this truly seemed like a novel (or, probably novella would be more apt) for television, and for some reason, that might have made it so ponderously dull. I remember thinking the same thing years ago about Golden Years...there's a great book there, but not a great series. I think, too, King described that as a novel for television, but I could be wrong on that.

And the whole multiple universe-Schism/Dark Tower-like thing...yeah, I get it. But I'm over it. Reducing the Rock's supernatural tendencies to theoretical physics is both pretentious and gratuitous....take a cue from the Twilight Zone of which Abrams is a fan and used as an influence: err on the side of Lovecraft, and leave the Howling Man (did you catch that in the series? One of my favorite Zones) as a Howling Man, don't turn it into a collection of subatomic particles! (Besides, Carpenter already did that in Prince of Darkness, in a much more satisfying manner.)

I would love for the next season to be a straight anthology, but I'm fairly certain it won't be. I will probably watch it, but I have to be honest....I had to fast-forward through some of this past season. Just don't have the time any longer to watch everything as thoroughly as it deserves. One note: my favorite part of the series is when Deaver is in the forest and gets shut into that space in the van (I think it was a van; maybe an RV?). That was legitimately scary, and I think he started getting visions that were off-aspect; one was of a girl, I think, that for some reason scared me like a jump-scare. It was not a jump scare technically, but functionally, to me, it was; just absolutely creepy...

One note (2): Can any name be more King-like than Henry Deaver? I think not, and bravo for that...
 

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I haven't looked into it but I'm hoping next season will have a new cast and a new story. I hadn't considered that pointing to the schisma as the source of the supernatural in Castle Rock would cheapen it but I have to say I agree with that sentiment. But perhaps the schisma hasn't explained the supernatural away. Perhaps whatever hangs over Castle Rock made the schisma, instead of the supernatural in Castle Rock being a result of the schisma.

I am beginning to understand Mr. King's sentiment on easter eggs a little more. I enoyed the allusions to stories I recognized but ultimately I want to be engrossed in a new story. With all the references to The Shining that popped up this season I'm hoping that won't be next seasons story. That's probably a very unpopular opinion lol.
 

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That's actually a very good point -- if the Rock caused the physics anomaly, perhaps that would make for a more interesting outcome in terms of concept/plot.

On the Easter eggs: thanks for bringing that up. I too agreed with King's exhortation. Maybe I'm too old to appreciate them, but we really don't need eggs; if you want to reference something, make it the fully-formed subject of an episode and not something that is simply embryonic, so to speak. That bit at the end of the series, the joke...really didn't need that, and it went against the overall tone given the rest of the series. I myself wouldn't mind seeing an old storyline come back, as I've said, but I can see your point as well about new tales. Too bad the series couldn't focus on a strange writer who is somehow connected to all the supernatural goings-on. Granted, that's a bit too on-the-nose and has been done to death, but I guess my point is, focus on a fun concept and not the melodramatic acting (as good as the acting was, maybe loosen it up a bit; Levy's approach to her character could perhaps be used as a roadmap).
 
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Does anyone think the guy who woke Deaver up after the car wreck might be a character next season? I got a LOST vibe off of him and his one line, as if they were sneaking him in. There was no one else I can recall all season that was given lines that wasn't a vital character to the plot. The only one I can think of might be the new warden's helper that tried to intimidate the Kid while still in the jail cell.
 
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preciousroy

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I gave this series a watch Castle Rock - YouTube

There are spoilers, of course, but there were a number of details they caught that I didn't. They also noticed irregular time-jumps. One I can recall off the top of my head is a scene with Molly where an on-screen date is given of 2017 though the scene is supposed to be taking place in 2018. There's also the calendar dated to 2043 in the first (or second?) episode. This could support my suspicions that we were watching multiple timelines play out while they seemed like just one.
 
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I loved this. I thought it was well done. The casting was great. The sets and scenery were so creative. I just went for the ride and didn't try to overthink any of it. I didn't waste my time searching for Easter Eggs. I noted the ones that were obvious, but I didn't hang my brain on them.

The Henry Deever episode challenged us and tested our faith. Our truths. How strong is our belief in something and how easily can it be swayed?

I can't wait for season II.

I had trouble hearing Sissy sometimes and it took me clear till episode 10 to figure out how to turn on closed captioning. duh.

And a side tidbit. The man who plays the deaf guy Odin, is a deaf guy. CJ Jones. I have watched a couple documentaries on the deaf community and deaf culture where he is prominently featured. I highly recommend them.

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Through Deaf Eyes.
 

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Hello Everyone, I’ve been away for a while working on my next book. I found a place to take a break for a while, and decided to catch up on stuff I’d been missing. So, over the past few weeks, I’ve been watching season one of Castle Rock. I just finished episode eight. I have to say, I’m impressed. This show catches the feeling I get from SK’s novels like no other adaptation I’ve seen. So far, I think they’re doing a great job. Also, I’ve been noticing little character quirks that remind me of novel characters. For example, Sissy Spacek’s character Ruth Deaver is seen hiding carved figurines around the house. This reminds me of Elizabeth Eastlake from Duma Key who hides her porcelain dolls around the house. Then there’s Bill Skarsgård’s character, The Kid. He reminds me of Leland Gaunt from Needful Things. He seems to amuse himself as he watches everyone around him loose themselves to their passions. Then there’s the scene with the woods where there’s a strange sound and men building unique contraptions. That’s right out of The Tommyknockers where Bobbi Anderson uses green alien power to build all sorts of contraptions. I’m sure I’ll catch more references as I work my way through the episodes. What do you think? Has anyone else recognized novel characters in Castle Rock?
 

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I want to know, where are all these Bill Skarsgård portrait paintings? I want one. I want a Bill/Henry Deever portrait.

Does anyone know anything about these art pieces? Who really did them? Was it a number of artists painting them for the show or just one artist?
 
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I'm a kinda Dark Tower enthusiast and makes me believe that everything that happened in the story,
about the different Henrys and different universes, to be true. In the Dark Tower there are people called twinners, that are a different version of the same person in another universe. That's probably the reason why there was never a mention of Leland Gaunt by Pangborn, because the events of Needful Things happened in another Castle Rock.
Also Dark Score Lake, which is an important place in Bag of Bones, I've theorized it is a representation of the Dark Tower in that universe. So, it can be possible that the thinny (the effect of which Henry calls schisma), a thining portion of the fabric of reality, appeared on the lake making it possible to certain people (i.e. the Henrys) to travel from one place to another.
 
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