castle rock episode talk.. Spoilers Ahead, spoilers Ahead

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preciousroy

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Season 2
In episode 3 (I think) there is a shot showing the reflection of Joy in a window, X'd out by wood strips over the pane. I can never see reflections in film as simply that. I always assume them to be a symbolic representation of a fractured mind, a two-faced person or identity dissociation. This shot came around the time Joy started to question her life as her mother had always explained it to her. It could have represented an irreversible departure from who Joy knew herself to be. But I also believe it could mean Joy will die by the conclusion of the season.
 
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preciousroy

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Maybe it can be said for most stories but the recurring theme I'm noticing this season is that the decisions others make which are unrelated to you can still have horrible consequences in your life. It's terrible to think about.
 

preciousroy

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I'm also wondering if Joy isn't our Annie, as in maybe she's going to have a break. I believe Annie's mental illness comes from her father, despite her mother's odd behavior. Annie's mother seemed to be changed by her experiences in life, but not mentally ill. Tightly wound, perhaps but not mentally ill. But we do know that Annie's father is avoiding a lithium prescription.

Lithium is one of the drugs Annie takes, too as part of her self-medication cocktail. Annie and Joy share the same father, and so they might both suffer from the same issues as he did. Some mental ilnesses don't begin to manifest in people until they reach their late teens. Joy is sixteen, just a step away from her late teenage years.

We've also seen Joy restrain Annie by tieing her to a bed much like we saw Annie restrain Paul Sheldon (in Misery.) We've also seen Joy being quite adept at plunging the emergency syringe into the arms of Annie and Rita, making them docile and knocking them out.

All of Annie's violence has come in moments of snapping. She's learned to lie to cover her tracks but she was never in full control of herself in any of the scenes where she hurt people. She was having an episode triggered by some sort of external information when she killed her father and Ace, when she attacked Rita and when she almost drowned Joy.

Joy, however is calm in tense moments and maintains control over herself and the situation. She subdues her target without violence. When Joy violates Annie's agency, she believes it's for her own good. The line gets blurred when she drugs Rita to protect Annie. She was no longer protecting Annie from herself. Joy was making the decision for herself to protect Annie from Rita. The goal being de-escalation, I don't think she meant any harm to Rita. But the decision was self-motivated instead of being made to protect a disturbed person who may be a danger to herself. It wasn't motivated by evil but she's crossed a line from using the syringe as emergency medicine to using it as a tool. A means to an end.

Annie uses the same kind of language we expect from her, "dirtybird" etc. But we've seen that she picked that up from her mother. It's not hard to believe Joy could pick it up from Annie somewhere along the way. Plus, Joy just kind of looks more like our Annie.
 

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I was thinking the same thing. I am enjoying this season but I am a bit lost when it comes to the ace Merrill and Salem’s lot story line, but I missed two episodes
Season 2
In episode 3 (I think) there is a shot showing the reflection of Joy in a window, X'd out by wood strips over the pane. I can never see reflections in film as simply that. I always assume them to be a symbolic representation of a fractured mind, a two-faced person or identity dissociation. This shot came around the time Joy started to question her life as her mother had always explained it to her. It could have represented an irreversible departure from who Joy knew herself to be. But I also believe it could mean Joy will die by the conclusion of the season.
 

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I think you are on to something, the #1 fan thing was interesting..

I am getting confused with the zombie re-born things. Can some one explain this. I also have not seen or read Salem’s lot or anything. And is ace really dead..
 
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preciousroy

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I read Salem's Lot while falling asleep at night and missed half of the book so I can't really say. I'm going to have to re-read it again eventually.
I would assume Ace is dead but we were also led to believe Rita was dead for a minute. When his corpse fell through the ground with Annie it was exposed to that slime. The scarab beetle accompanies the slime so we know they're connected. Thanks to pop culture, the first thing that would pop into most people's minds would be Egypt.

The conversation turned-Ace has with is turned-brother gives a clue that they may be ancient parasites. They talk as if they've just returned after a very long time. They enjoy wine, especially. Wine will be a clue as to who's been turned, I bet.

Did you also catch the line about why the one human didn't turn right away? The one who made it to the hospital for a brief moment before she was recovered by the parasites. They said she didn't turn because of her depression meds. They've chosen Annie for their vessel and she's on the 40-20-10 cocktail.

Not sure it means anything, but did you notice those numbers are halved in descending order? Is this symbolic of Annie's inevitable severing from Joy? Nadia and Abdi were each severed from their mother. Their relationship to each other has become severed now that Nadia has learned what Abdi already knew. Even Ace and his brother felt resentment towards their father initially, jealous of how he treated the orphans. Evangeline was taken from Joy. Annie stole joy. Annie's mother felt like Annie's father had stolen something from her in her youth.

I looked up who Amity Lambert may have been and the only Stephen King link that was returned was the Dark Tower wiki page on Calla Amity.
 
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