The Year of Cemetery Dance 2018

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Bev Vincent

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Bev Vincent what's your theory? Also, did anyone catch the Duma Key reference at the end of the finale?

I feel like the story took a huge directional shift starting with episode 8, and that may have been late in the game to change things up so much.

However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

Two questions I have

1) if the Kid is telling the truth, why is his presence so disruptive. Why would it cause people to behave the way they do? and
2) if the Kid is telling the truth, why doesn't he age?

I feel like the writers were trying to loop in The Dark Half (the sparrows are flying again), with the implication that perhaps George Stark really was Thad, but from a different timeline.

In the final analysis, the story ended almost exactly where it started, but with a different jailer. Or is it Henry who is trapped? That would seem to be the case. No longer defending death row clients, but routine cases.

Whatever the truth, for the time being at least, evil is bottled up once again in Castle Rock.
 

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I feel like the story took a huge directional shift starting with episode 8, and that may have been late in the game to change things up so much.

However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

Two questions I have

1) if the Kid is telling the truth, why is his presence so disruptive. Why would it cause people to behave the way they do? and
2) if the Kid is telling the truth, why doesn't he age?

I feel like the writers were trying to loop in The Dark Half (the sparrows are flying again), with the implication that perhaps George Stark really was Thad, but from a different timeline.

In the final analysis, the story ended almost exactly where it started, but with a different jailer. Or is it Henry who is trapped? That would seem to be the case. No longer defending death row clients, but routine cases.

Whatever the truth, for the time being at least, evil is bottled up once again in Castle Rock.
Thank you Bev for all your thoughts and insights!
 

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Thank you Bev for all your thoughts and insights!

Perhaps it was a combo of both points. The voice over in the episode said something like some things make you into a monster. I think it was left opean for a reason. I think we will come back to the kid. In future episodes. I liked the end credits. Ithoght it was cute. Not shure why people are ****ting over this episode
 

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I feel like the story took a huge directional shift starting with episode 8, and that may have been late in the game to change things up so much.

However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

Two questions I have

1) if the Kid is telling the truth, why is his presence so disruptive. Why would it cause people to behave the way they do? and
2) if the Kid is telling the truth, why doesn't he age?

I feel like the writers were trying to loop in The Dark Half (the sparrows are flying again), with the implication that perhaps George Stark really was Thad, but from a different timeline.

In the final analysis, the story ended almost exactly where it started, but with a different jailer. Or is it Henry who is trapped? That would seem to be the case. No longer defending death row clients, but routine cases.

Whatever the truth, for the time being at least, evil is bottled up once again in Castle Rock.

Thank you for that. Until reading this I had been walking around with a question mark on my forehead. Looking forward to Season 2.
 

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I found another couple details to support one of my theories
Young Molly tells young Deaver that she feels it when he plays with his "thingie". As a youth she admitted to him that she has psychic powers. Adult Deaver doesn't recall this detail about their relationship and not only has to be informed by adult Molly but also convinced. This supports my theory that we're watching multiple timelines playout while being presented as one.
 
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preciousroy

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However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

One of the reasons I believe the kid's alternate reality story to be fake was that it was told for Molly's benefit. His version of history absolved her of the murder of Pastor Deaver. As a result she wasn't weighted down by her psychic abilities but rather augmented. She was open to them instead of drowning them out with opiates. She was also successful and happy and most importantly, not awkward. Her sister was the dumb one and was reliant on Molly instead of the opposite that we see earlier in the series. The kid had to convince Molly if he wanted to convince Deaver. In fact, Molly was the one who passed the crucial information to Deaver which led to the capture of the kid, leading to the two of them being stuck in the same cell together. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear. Luckily, she was smart enough to follow her intuition.
 
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The one question I have, assuming The Kids story was a fabrication then where did Henry Deaver go for the 5 days he was missing in the woods? The Kids story explained where he was but if that was fabrication then there is no explanation for this missing time. Or did I miss something?
 
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preciousroy

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The one question I have, assuming The Kids story was a fabrication then where did Henry Deaver go for the 5 days he was missing in the woods? The Kids story explained where he was but if that was fabrication then there is no explanation for this missing time. Or did I miss something?

I don't necessarily think the Kid's story needed to be real for the schisma to be real but it is worth noting that we never see it as a point of intersection anywhere else in the series. That's something I hadn't considered.
 

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The one question I have, assuming The Kids story was a fabrication then where did Henry Deaver go for the 5 days he was missing in the woods? The Kids story explained where he was but if that was fabrication then there is no explanation for this missing time. Or did I miss something?

this is how i took it to mean. I think that the kid was being truthful about his past and how he ended up with lacy and in our world or the world with the black henery deaver. I think he turned a bit evil while he was locked up for 27 years. or he had a bit of evil in him and he used it to make sense or to somehow try and get back to his world. if you listen to the narration at the start of this episode it kind of explains this kind of,. I think they left it open and may come back to it soon. the writters or someone tweeted out that for one Henry deaver to be free one had to be locked up. it makes scenes that the black Henry deaver is free as we do need some characters for next season.. i think that will be Wendell, Henry and Jackie. and possibly molly will come back. that being said i do want to re-watch the entire show again
 
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One of the reasons I believe the kid's alternate reality story to be fake was that it was told for Molly's benefit. His version of history absolved her of the murder of Pastor Deaver. As a result she wasn't weighted down by her psychic abilities but rather augmented. She was open to them instead of drowning them out with opiates. She was also successful and happy and most importantly, not awkward. Her sister was the dumb one and was reliant on Molly instead of the opposite that we see earlier in the series. The kid had to convince Molly if he wanted to convince Deaver. In fact, Molly was the one who passed the crucial information to Deaver which led to the capture of the kid, leading to the two of them being stuck in the same cell together. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear. Luckily, she was smart enough to follow her intuition.

hmm that is a very good point, i never thought of that. i am going to go back and re-watch the show this week i think. you may be correct
 
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I found another couple details to support one of my theories
Young Molly tells young Deaver that she feels it when he plays with his "thingie". As a youth she admitted to him that she has psychic powers. Adult Deaver doesn't recall this detail about their relationship and not only has to be informed by adult Molly but also convinced. This supports my theory that we're watching multiple timelines playout while being presented as one.

by "thingie" are we talking about a mans private part? or the scisma
 
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Hill lover35

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I feel like the story took a huge directional shift starting with episode 8, and that may have been late in the game to change things up so much.

However, I think the finale depends on your interpretation of episode 9. Was the kid telling the truth, or was the whole thing a fabrication, part of his nefarious scheme?

Two questions I have

1) if the Kid is telling the truth, why is his presence so disruptive. Why would it cause people to behave the way they do? and
2) if the Kid is telling the truth, why doesn't he age?

I feel like the writers were trying to loop in The Dark Half (the sparrows are flying again), with the implication that perhaps George Stark really was Thad, but from a different timeline.

In the final analysis, the story ended almost exactly where it started, but with a different jailer. Or is it Henry who is trapped? That would seem to be the case. No longer defending death row clients, but routine cases.

Whatever the truth, for the time being at least, evil is bottled up once again in Castle Rock.

i think they left it opean to the vewier to decide.
 
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preciousroy

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What does Molly know?
Despite her psychic powers she never gives off any indication that she knows about how jumbled Ruth's head is. In one episode Ruth is clearly distressed by the Kid and Molly knocks at the door showing no sign of reading Ruth's internal terror. We see Molly swallow four Oxycontin on one occasion so I just assumed she happened to be in a dulled state when she was around Ruth. Molly also said listening to the Kid is like hearing the whole towns negativity, so it could be allowed that she could have mistaken what Ruth was feeling for what he may have been projecting.

But she knew about one of the alternate realities well enough to talk Ruth down from the bridge. She knew that in at least one world Ruth ran away with Alan and left Deaver behind. Perhaps she knows more than we're led to believe.

Then again maybe her psychic abilities allowed her to see Ruth's alternates because Ruth could see them already.
 

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I watch it tell the end. I don't think the kid was lying in his story. I think he needed a key to open the door. Not all people can hear the doors..the sound in the woods. I think guy lock up really was from another world. But to go back home he needed Henry to be his key to unlock the door. I get feeling he couldn't go back unless Henry came with him. That some people cloud pass thru all time.But stuck people need one of those people to get back. Not everyone that hears it can go thru. Not always same people from the same world. Like when kid was passing thru he saw what look like 80 check cutting her wrist or guys running from the law.

The kid could have had something evil backpack on him. When you go thru ...you pick up something. Maybe unbalance or something that in between the worlds. It seems when someone out of place is running around the evil comes with them. When he in a cage one...spot..evil things still happen.. But in the end..all endings and no endings can be right. It was up to the viewer..I kind like that......
 

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Well, I have watched the entire series. Hate to say this, but I did not like it. Just didn't grab me. I think most others here liked it, which is good to hear.

I originally thought the series was going to be a straight anthology (this was during the early reporting about the show), but eventually realized it was going to be a traditional episodic. Fair enough. But I thought it might be like The X Files and have standalone episodes. It did not. I think that might have been the better way to go, but I have to say, I have never seen the show Haven, but I think that series may have followed such format? If so, then perhaps Abrams did not want to appear to be copying that product. I would have loved to experience an episode with It visiting the Rock, or maybe a gypsy caravan drive in and put a curse on someone, making them fatter instead of thinner. Oh well...

The show did nail one thing, though...the writers did a great impression of King's voice. The dialogue made me think I was listening to an audio book. Seriously, they nailed his voice. (Just one quick example, going on memory: Remember the scene where Deaver says something to that prison-guard kid like he has to speak up and identify the corruption, and he replies something like do you see the diapers in the back of my car? That's exactly how King would have had a character respond: with a clever, unusual response that is both witty and sad.) Maybe that's the problem...this truly seemed like a novel (or, probably novella would be more apt) for television, and for some reason, that might have made it so ponderously dull. I remember thinking the same thing years ago about Golden Years...there's a great book there, but not a great series. I think, too, King described that as a novel for television, but I could be wrong on that.

And the whole multiple universe-Schism/Dark Tower-like thing...yeah, I get it. But I'm over it. Reducing the Rock's supernatural tendencies to theoretical physics is both pretentious and gratuitous....take a cue from the Twilight Zone of which Abrams is a fan and used as an influence: err on the side of Lovecraft, and leave the Howling Man (did you catch that in the series? One of my favorite Zones) as a Howling Man, don't turn it into a collection of subatomic particles! (Besides, Carpenter already did that in Prince of Darkness, in a much more satisfying manner.)

I would love for the next season to be a straight anthology, but I'm fairly certain it won't be. I will probably watch it, but I have to be honest....I had to fast-forward through some of this past season. Just don't have the time any longer to watch everything as thoroughly as it deserves. One note: my favorite part of the series is when Deaver is in the forest and gets shut into that space in the van (I think it was a van; maybe an RV?). That was legitimately scary, and I think he started getting visions that were off-aspect; one was of a girl, I think, that for some reason scared me like a jump-scare. It was not a jump scare technically, but functionally, to me, it was; just absolutely creepy...

One note (2): Can any name be more King-like than Henry Deaver? I think not, and bravo for that...
 
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preciousroy

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I haven't looked into it but I'm hoping next season will have a new cast and a new story. I hadn't considered that pointing to the schisma as the source of the supernatural in Castle Rock would cheapen it but I have to say I agree with that sentiment. But perhaps the schisma hasn't explained the supernatural away. Perhaps whatever hangs over Castle Rock made the schisma, instead of the supernatural in Castle Rock being a result of the schisma.

I am beginning to understand Mr. King's sentiment on easter eggs a little more. I enoyed the allusions to stories I recognized but ultimately I want to be engrossed in a new story. With all the references to The Shining that popped up this season I'm hoping that won't be next seasons story. That's probably a very unpopular opinion lol.