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Doctor Shoots Gunman.

Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by Sigmund, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. Sigmund

    Sigmund Waiting in Uber.

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  2. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    why wouldn't it be legal for him to carry in a hospital if he had a concealed carry license? Sorry I don't see any thing wrong with this, the doctor did what had to and that is protect his life and his patient's lives..in my mind he is not only a doctor,but a healer,a gunslinger.. And he took care of business.
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  3. SutterKane

    SutterKane Well-Known Member

    Sounds to me like we'd be reading about a much higher body count had he not been carrying. I'm sure some ambulance chaser will find a way to make a lawsuit out of this but if you ask me, he should be applauded for acting fast in a tense situation.
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  4. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Bet the doctor's got a new nickname... Doc Holiday.
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  5. do1you9love?

    do1you9love? Happy to be here!

    Most states have laws that prevent carrying weapons in hospitals, schools, court buildings regardless of the CCL status.

    That being said, my first thought when I heard this story this morning was "Good for him!"
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  6. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    I know schools do,but I thought hospitals were more of a policy thing rather than law..crazy anyhow,as long as the owner of the weapon acted responsibly and according to self defense law,then he shouldn't be in any trouble,period..things are seriously out of whack when you can't protect your life,or others,when someone is actively trying to kill you..
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  7. Sigmund

    Sigmund Waiting in Uber.

    Good evening.

    I agree he did the right thing. And thank God he was there to prevent more deaths but he's gonna be in court for a long time. I'm afraid his life and livelihood will be in jeopardy.

    It doesn't sound like the DA is interested in filing charges but the doctor and the hospital have deep pockets and there are always lawyers looking for deep pockets. Bummer.

    I'm wondering if the Good Samaritan law would be applicable.

    Thank you.

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  8. Riot87

    Riot87 Love him forever

    Thats good he probably saved lives imo.
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...the issue is, most hospitals have posted signs designating their buildings and grounds "gun free zones" and the CCW is no protection from that...I applaud the efforts, but those signs will hang them in a civil suit and the AMA will probably pull or at the very least suspend their license...it is a CLEAR violation of the Hippocratic Oath, even though I feel they did the right thing in protecting their "charges"....

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...Stand Your Ground, The Castle Doctrine etc., will not cover him nor does the Good Samaritan "law"...it doesn't cover gun-slinging...
    Good Samaritans Law & Legal Definition
  11. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    The old saying in law enforcement is,"Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" which is true especially in this case,the poor doc got shot in the head,a graze wound,before he killed the assailant..man,what would those admin people have him do?And I understand,it's not necessarily them,it's the "rules"..what bullcrap,it is to satisfy the lawyers who don't want the hospital sued..most every pc stupid thing we do or are not allowed to do today,is to keep ourselves from getting sued..:barf:
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

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  13. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    As my self-defense instructor said, when someone attempts to injure or kill you, they forfeit their own rights. You do what you have to do in self-defense, proportionate to the act. If someone bounces a fresh marshmallow off your noggin, you don't take a baseball bat to them. But if someone's shooting at you, the possibilities are wide open.

    Obviously, this doc's not going to get criminally prosecuted. He may get disciplined or fired for violating the establishment's rules regarding firearms, and if so, I can just see the NRA demonstrations outside. My guess is that the establishment will take it under advisement and let the noise settle.

    As far a civil suit, if we're talking about the family of the dead shooter suing the doc, and since he had killed someone and had already shot this doc, and the damage done was clearly in self-defense, I don't see how any lawyer would want to sink money into that rathole theory of a case. Now, maybe the family would sue the clinic for negligence in not recognizing and properly treating the man's condition.

    It's more likely and viable that the family of the murdered person would sue the shooter's estate.

    ETA: Made lots of editing changes. If you get email notifications, sorry for the difference in what you got versus what's here now.
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  14. swiftdog2.0

    swiftdog2.0 Elect a clown expect a circus........

    I imagine he'll be cleared in shooting the attacker. Clear case of self-defense there.

    As a few others have said if the Hospital has a documented policy banning employees from carrying weapons it trumps the LTC. It also makes him liable in a civil suit.

    I myself have a restricted Class A LTC with BS hunting and target restrictions on it. I live in the great state of MA with it's multiple classes of firearms licenses where each and every police chief of every city and town is free to issue them according to their whimsy :confused: There are no state standards. If the police chief doesn't like you, you get denied a license. Yay, democracy!

    Anyway, before I got off on my SwiftDog rant, what I was going to say was that even though I have an LTC, and I'm technically licensed to carry/conceal, the company I work for has a stated "no weapons in the workplace" policy in the employee handbook. If I brought one of my guns to work (which I would never do anyway) and carried it in the building I would be subject to immediate termination and prosecution. Even if I saved my boss and co-workers from an armed assailant.

    Criminals have rights too. Rightly so. However, our justice system can become perverted by overzealous defense attorneys and ultra-leftwing judges. So much so that the victims in these cases can become the perpetrator and the actual perpetrator becomes the victim :(
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  15. Dr. Fudd

    Dr. Fudd Bored Taster

    I think the only place you should carry a gun is in a hospital. Because if you get shot, you're right there...

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