Does age reflect interest in Stephen King?

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What is your age bracket?

  • 10 - 20 years old

    Votes: 3 5.0%
  • 20 - 30 years old

    Votes: 6 10.0%
  • 30 - 40 years old

    Votes: 14 23.3%
  • 40 - 50 years old

    Votes: 20 33.3%
  • 50 - 60 years old

    Votes: 13 21.7%
  • 60 and up

    Votes: 4 6.7%

  • Total voters
    60
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CulTiePie

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Like some other people are saying, I think interest in his novels can carry through a lifetime because he has such a wide range of writing. Not only of topics and genres, but age demographic as well. Some of his newer books, like Lisey's Story (well that one is new-ish), can't be truly appreciated until a certain point in a person's life. But Carrie or Salem's Lot can appeal to just about any age group.

I'm looking forward to appreciating him more as I get older!
 

skimom2

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Taking the other side of the argument, I will say, as Bobledrew implied, that King's readership may have dropped off as time has gone on simply because if you look at King as a brand and a business, probably some natural statistical principles apply to the progression of his career as they would to anything else similar -- there must be some natural plateauing and decay that occurs as the model moves into the future. There's more competition in the marketplace, bookstores have failed and are pivoting (anyone who has visited a Barnes & Noble recently knows what I am talking about), and because of the newly established, and the nascent, digital distribution technologies, there are more choices than ever before for entertainment. Zeitgeists are probably born faster than they were in the past; they probably die on a quicker schedule, too.

This goes viral, that goes viral, this and that don't...is it any wonder than an author who started his rise in the dark ages of the old economies might find his readership less than what it was? Music is, of course, a good analogue. Remember when it was unthinkable that anyone would not be able to name all four Beatles? Go up to a young person now and ask them the name of three. Or two. Miley Cyrus was mentioned in the thread -- unless her music grows with her fans, she may lose many of them. Actually, she will lose many anyhow, because that's just the way it works.

I just watched a movie last night called Project Almanac. If King wanted to tap into the millennial market, he would write stuff like that (either in book or celluloid form, complete with a youthful cast). He doesn't want to, which is fine. But like skimom says, imagine it was Lisey's Story instead of Carrie that you read as your first book. I doubt many younger folk right now are discovering King as their first author (unless there are any stats Ms. Mod knows about, but I doubt she may, or if she does, she may not be able to say). As time moves on, the next generation always looks to the stuff that came before it as antiquity and to be explored later (if at all). Right now, young adult materials seem to rule the land. Commercial thrillers like The Girl on the Train, Gone Girl, etc., are selling; so are self-published tomes like 50 Shades of Grey.

It's just a different landscape. King could absolutely capture the imaginations of the younger set if he calculated a bit more, but he doesn't seem to want to do that. He could create a horror franchise like The Conjuring if he wanted to. He could do an HBO Tales-From-the-Crypt-type series and gather new readers (assuming of course he wrote books with concepts central to the new readers' interests). That doesn't interest him, and that is perfectly fine by me. He still is a media mogul (Under the Dome, etc.).

I'm not saying my analysis is correct, by the way. This is just how it seems to me. I look forward, actually, to seeing how Finders Keepers does; I think the first sales numbers should be out Friday.

By the way, on the Bill Hodges Trilogy -- did anyone think, as I did, that maybe King created a trilogy at the behest of his agents, etc., as a way of maybe fighting the natural sales decline in a mature business? Book series, it would seem to me, are like movie franchises, and might be easier to build brand equity with than it might be with one-shot novels. Just a thought.

I can see the road you're traveling, but there are a couple of hitches in your scenario: first, what a writer writes best isn't a matter of his or her choice, or at least not to a large extent. Mr. King could choose to write YA romance or dystopia, it's true, but chances are he wouldn't do it nearly as well as he can write what is naturally within his wheelhouse. In my opinion, Finders Keepers is a good example of that. It is a good book, make no mistake, but the places where he tries to hew closely to crime fiction norms are weaker than the places where he goes with his strengths: dialogue, character building. I can see why he's done what he's done, as far as trying a new genre; after 50 or so years of writing, a challenge is refreshing! I remember Mr. King himself talking (well, writing, but I always 'hear' his non-fiction stuff in my head like he really was talking to me :) ) about how he and Louis L'Amour could both sit by a beautiful pond and come up with two completely different stories (I think he said Mr. L'Amour would start a story about ranchers and water rights and he himself would write about tentacles coming out of the water--lol). We are how we're wired.

The second flaw is in assuming that a writer can successfully write to a trend. Think of the life arc of a manuscript: for many authors, the first draft can take up to a year. I understand that Mr. King is more prolific, and I think I remember reading something about him saying that he gives himself around three months for a first draft (thought that might have been Joe Hill). So. Three months for that. Then a good writer lets that draft lie fallow for a while--anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. It has to become a stranger to you before you have the objectivity to start working on it. So then you have a second draft. Then a third (on average). THEN the book is ready to send to your editor. Depending on their their schedule, there might be a lag before they can take it up. If there isn't a lot of editing to be done, you might get away with one more set of edits... but probably not. You're now at least a year into this book, maybe a year and a half. Then it goes to copyedits, marketing, cover, and omg! you need a new author photo. At this point, you're getting close to production. For someone like Mr. King, maybe things are sped up a bit; littler guys get put in the queue and your stuff gets done when it gets done, in between 'bigger' drops. Bottom line: it might be two to three years before the germ that went floating around in your head is a published novel. If you've written purely to satisfy a trend, you'd better pray to god that the trend hasn't changed. It likely has. See a lot of bondage books hitting it big lately? How about vampires? Shapeshifters? Dystopias? Fairy tale reboots? Zombies are waning, ghosts ascendant, but that couldn't have been predicted--it might just as well have been alien garbage cats that hit the public fancy. My point is that writing and publishing a book takes time, and no one can tell what is going to be 'hot' from one season to the next. How it works at the best of times is someone writes something they're passionate about, something they really love, and if they're lucky other people catch that passion and run with it. Sometimes it carries some other authors along (Roth's Divergent series coat-tailed on Hunger Games and Twilight), but they have to come out of the gate fairly quickly behind the trend--chances are, they were already working on something similar when the first book 'hit'. The only way to quickly capitalize on a trend is to self-publish, and that comes with it's own issues.
 

skimom2

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Marsha, I am stunned that Steve had to 'pitch' a trilogy of books to his publisher at this point in his career. He may not be selling the mega-millions of copies of novels like he did back in the mid-'80's, but he still outsells alot of other 'name' authors. He has a well-established fan base. Not everyone of his fans are going to buy every single book he writes, but even then he still would sell alot of copies of books. Lawd how I detest the publishing industry!!!!

I'm not surprised at all. Most publishers want, "Second verse, same as the first". Since Mr. King is popularly viewed as a 'horror' writer, anything he does outside that parameter is a risk. Publishers HATE risk. Note the endless f*&$ing series books. I'm not a fan (lol).
 

kingricefan

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I'm not surprised at all. Most publishers want, "Second verse, same as the first". Since Mr. King is popularly viewed as a 'horror' writer, anything he does outside that parameter is a risk. Publishers HATE risk. Note the endless f*&$ing series books. I'm not a fan (lol).
I get that. I just figured that with Steve's track record, and his venturing out of the horror genre over the years, would not give pause to his publisher on what type of book he offers them to publish. It just boggles my mind.....
 

skimom2

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I get that. I just figured that with Steve's track record, and his venturing out of the horror genre over the years, would not give pause to his publisher on what type of book he offers them to publish. It just boggles my mind.....
Yup. It's all about the Benjamins that they don't want to spend for something that might flop :p
 

days be strange

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What drew me into SK was wanting more horror. When I asked people what to read they'd say Stephen King (whether they read his books or not). I'm 19, but I'm going to turn 20 next month. I like SK but I think as I grew up I got to appreciate a lot of other authors and genres. Plus university and people get in the way. I'll still read SK though just not obsessively as I did before. I've already read most of his books anyway.
 

GNTLGNT

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Just to take this WAY off topic, people of my generation are SUPPOSED to be appalled by people like Miley Cyrus. People said Sinatra was crude and lewd; Elvis was obscene; Mick Jagger was lascivious; The New York Dolls were degenerate; Frankie Goes To Hollywood were vile... and so on and so on.

I will likely never spend any money on Miley Cyrus. But it's shortsighted to write her off for her stunting. The girl has talent:
...my taste comment concerned her apparent desire to reach the lowest slutty denominator...I never said she couldn't sing...my kids grew up watching her in her Hannah Montana guise...her pipes are quite good, she can pull off a little bit of acting-I just don't see why she feels it necessary to demean her gender by acting the Ho...those that you named above never appalled me-I'm very open minded, just confused as to why talent has to have it's ass crack on display...
 

bobledrew

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I never said that YOU found any of the performers I mentioned appalling, GNTL -- but it is a matter of fact that they were VOCIFEROUSLY opposed in the early stages of their careers.

Some examples:

“Elvis can’t sing, can’t play the guitar, and can’t dance. Yet two thousand idiots per show yelp every time he opens his mouth, plucks a guitar string, or shakes his pelvis like any striptease babe in town.”
"“It is a frightening thing for a man to watch his women debase themselves,” Reynolds wrote of the young girls who “screamed, and quivered, and shut their eyes and reached out their hands to him as for salvation” at Memorial Stadium in Spokane."

Ed Sullivan on the rolling stones: "I promise you they’ll never be back on our show. It took me 17 years to build this show and I’m not going to have it destroyed in a matter of weeks.”

Frankie Goes to Hollywood: "On 11 January 1984, BBC Radio 1 disc jockey Mike Read was playing the record on his show when he noticed the front cover design (by Yvonne Gilbert). Read apparently became outraged by the "overtly sexual" nature of both the record sleeve and the printed lyrics, which prompted him to remove the disc from the turntable live on air, branding it "obscene."[7]

Two days later – almost three months after the single's initial release, and just eight days after the group's Top of the Pops appearance – the BBC banned the record from all its TV and radio outlets, with the exception of its Top 40 show.[7] "Relax" immediately shot to Number One in the UK charts and stayed there for five weeks, during which time the BBC could not feature the nation's best-selling single on Top of the Pops.

The original video[8] was directed by Bernard Rose and depicted a gay S&M parlour where the band members were admired by muscular leathermen, a bleached blonde drag queen, and a large-bodied gentleman dressed as a Roman emperor. The video featured a scene where one of the band members wrestled a live tiger, to the admiration of the clubgoers, and ended where the "emperor" was so excited he shimmied out of his toga. Filmed in the unused East London theatre Wilton's Music Hall, it was promptly banned by both the BBC and MTV, resulting in the production of a substitute video directed by filmmaker Brian De Palma to coincide with the release of his film Body Double."

It's the job of musicians to stretch the boundaries of the acceptable. That's what she's doing. As Willie Dixon put it: "The men don't know, but the little girls understand."
 

danie

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Just to take this WAY off topic, people of my generation are SUPPOSED to be appalled by people like Miley Cyrus. People said Sinatra was crude and lewd; Elvis was obscene; Mick Jagger was lascivious; The New York Dolls were degenerate; Frankie Goes To Hollywood were vile... and so on and so on.

I will likely never spend any money on Miley Cyrus. But it's shortsighted to write her off for her stunting. The girl has talent:
So agree. Her voice is beautiful...thanks for posting this!
 

Alexandra M

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I told my friends that SK wrote the story for the Shawshank Redemption and they were surprised. lol

So was one of my daughters. She kept telling me about this great movie she watches over and over. When I told her about SK she was
shocked. Today I had an email from her asking which SK book she should read first. I have an extra copy of Dolores Claiborne which
I am going to send to her.
 

Mr Nobody

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I get that. I just figured that with Steve's track record, and his venturing out of the horror genre over the years, would not give pause to his publisher on what type of book he offers them to publish. It just boggles my mind.....

I know skimom2 has already addressed this (and well, as per), but...
It's not simply that the publishers want a profit - they know SK's shopping list would sell hundreds of thousands if not millions of copies - it's that they want maximum profit. Which, from a purely business perspective, is understandable and their duty to their shareholders (I'll say that to save Rrty the trouble ;)).
It does, however, attempt to reduce an artform (this also applies to movies and, to an extent, music as well) to a singularity. They want a sure thing. Don't we all? The difference is that, now perhaps more than ever, it's the bean-counters who hold sway. It's partly why you no longer see the larger houses taking a risk. It's also why you see, or at least saw, them shedding mid-list writers at a furious rate. Both of those are reasons why the traditional publishing model has become so broken.
But, as I say, the publishers want maximum bucks. That's why they like the series novels (even if Book Three is pretty much a retread of Book One, and plotlines that could have been resolved in a single large-ish volume are spread over 3-5 smaller books...and then ever so thinly). It's also why they prefer to pigeon-hole those novelists they do take on/retain.
In the old days, of course, every big name release would provide profits, dividends and allow for punts to be taken on new writers and mid-listers, in the hope that someone would break through and become one of the big drivers. As I say, most of that has been stripped away, or at least severely pruned (to the detriment of the tree, ultimately), and where the names might once have had a fairly large degree of freedom to produce what they would (once they had become names established for years), they're now kept on a tighter leash in the name of maximizing profit.

To touch briefly upon another (somewhat unrelated) point regarding series and 'trend' books: I decided to take less paid editing work, even though it was my 'key earning' sector, for a couple of reasons. First, and to an extent this is the lesser reason, I wasn't getting enough time to write my own stuff. In fact, there were periods where I was so busy and/or word-blind and/or mentally frazzled that I wrote nothing at all. Getting the writing muscles back was pretty hard work, too.
Second (and mainly)...if I'd had to read through yet another poorly/averagely written take on zombies, vampire/werewolf 'war' BS, and YA dystopia with a "feisty, independent heroine" (who are usually nothing of the sort), I'd have screamed until I ended up in the local laughing academy (and thanks for that one, Uncle Steve :biggrin2:).
 

Rrty

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I can see the road you're traveling, but there are a couple of hitches in your scenario: first, what a writer writes best isn't a matter of his or her choice, or at least not to a large extent. Mr. King could choose to write YA romance or dystopia, it's true, but chances are he wouldn't do it nearly as well as he can write what is naturally within his wheelhouse. In my opinion, Finders Keepers is a good example of that. It is a good book, make no mistake, but the places where he tries to hew closely to crime fiction norms are weaker than the places where he goes with his strengths: dialogue, character building. I can see why he's done what he's done, as far as trying a new genre; after 50 or so years of writing, a challenge is refreshing! I remember Mr. King himself talking (well, writing, but I always 'hear' his non-fiction stuff in my head like he really was talking to me :) ) about how he and Louis L'Amour could both sit by a beautiful pond and come up with two completely different stories (I think he said Mr. L'Amour would start a story about ranchers and water rights and he himself would write about tentacles coming out of the water--lol). We are how we're wired.

The second flaw is in assuming that a writer can successfully write to a trend. Think of the life arc of a manuscript: for many authors, the first draft can take up to a year. I understand that Mr. King is more prolific, and I think I remember reading something about him saying that he gives himself around three months for a first draft (thought that might have been Joe Hill). So. Three months for that. Then a good writer lets that draft lie fallow for a while--anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. It has to become a stranger to you before you have the objectivity to start working on it. So then you have a second draft. Then a third (on average). THEN the book is ready to send to your editor. Depending on their their schedule, there might be a lag before they can take it up. If there isn't a lot of editing to be done, you might get away with one more set of edits... but probably not. You're now at least a year into this book, maybe a year and a half. Then it goes to copyedits, marketing, cover, and omg! you need a new author photo. At this point, you're getting close to production. For someone like Mr. King, maybe things are sped up a bit; littler guys get put in the queue and your stuff gets done when it gets done, in between 'bigger' drops. Bottom line: it might be two to three years before the germ that went floating around in your head is a published novel. If you've written purely to satisfy a trend, you'd better pray to god that the trend hasn't changed. It likely has. See a lot of bondage books hitting it big lately? How about vampires? Shapeshifters? Dystopias? Fairy tale reboots? Zombies are waning, ghosts ascendant, but that couldn't have been predicted--it might just as well have been alien garbage cats that hit the public fancy. My point is that writing and publishing a book takes time, and no one can tell what is going to be 'hot' from one season to the next. How it works at the best of times is someone writes something they're passionate about, something they really love, and if they're lucky other people catch that passion and run with it. Sometimes it carries some other authors along (Roth's Divergent series coat-tailed on Hunger Games and Twilight), but they have to come out of the gate fairly quickly behind the trend--chances are, they were already working on something similar when the first book 'hit'. The only way to quickly capitalize on a trend is to self-publish, and that comes with it's own issues.

That's true about writing the kind of stuff that is popular -- it does take a long time to get it to market, so I did miss out on the logic of that issue.

I would agree that maybe King would have a problem at times writing things outside of his expertise. Like you say, King is the best at creating characters, and he is obviously great at plotting, too, but material like YA does tend to favor plot over characters (even if it is to a slight degree at times), so something like that may not bring out the best in him. I noticed in Joyland, to sort of echo what you are saying, that King really wasn't writing a crime novel so much as he was writing a mainstream book that happened to have a crime somwehere in its pages.

Very good essay on the subject, thanks for it...
 

Ashcrash

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sK was disappointed in Tommyknockers, too.
I get that. I just figured that with Steve's track record, and his venturing out of the horror genre over the years, would not give pause to his publisher on what type of book he offers them to publish. It just boggles my mind.....
all i have to say is Hearts in Atlantis
The Green Mile
Stand by me
Insomnia
I wouldn't classify those as horrors