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Does the media give too much attention to mass shooters?

Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by Lord Tyrion, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. Lord Tyrion

    Lord Tyrion Well-Known Member


    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...they do-simply because blood, horror, gore, pain and suffering make for great ratings...horrible deaths fascinates many, monsters are much more interesting than warm and fuzzies...and I say that with 35 years experience in the business...

  3. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    That must be the reason you get the people who slow down and gawk at accident scenes - the gorier the better for them, I guess - fracking rubberneckers!
  4. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    I think they do. But I also think it's natural because the masses want to know. And I don't think it's because we're all gore watchers. I think society is appalled, wants to sympathize, and really wants to understand why these things happen. It's a terrible cycle.
  5. rudiroo

    rudiroo Well-Known Member

    Yes, the media is culpable to a degree.
    But not entirely culpable.

    Youth are impressionable and it's easier to gain access to guns in the US Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com than many other parts of the world.
    But murder (mass or otherwise) by anyone, against anyone has been around for a long time.
    Ditto means, motive & opportunity.

    Global 24/7 media is relatively new invention.
    The atrocities of the French Revolution & Third Reich couldn't be blamed on anybody's media.

    We underestimate the depth of darkness in the that may be found in the human heart at our peril.
    Even a teenage heart.
    So sad.
  6. Lord Tyrion

    Lord Tyrion Well-Known Member

    I don't think the media is entirely to blame, but I think these shooters think they're being glorified with the media attention. We have to cover these crimes, but sometimes I think there is this fascination with them that makes me uneasy.
  7. Kurben

    Kurben The Fool on the Hill

    They probably play a part. but i doubt it is the right way to go not to mention terrible news like that. It would be to pretend that the problem doesn't exist. The day we start to think that such news are boring and stop caring about it will also be written less about it. And if we stop caring about such things it would be a really sad state of mind so i prefer that they write. A way to counteract these kind of crimes would be to make it a little bit more difficult to get a hand of powerful guns. Kids that are not happy at school, for some reason, that will always exist. I think they might be inspired in methods but the urge to act i dont think it influences very much.
  8. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    I like 10 a.m. when I hear the NBC Dumbo and Hoda theme song come on. It means that nothing newsworthy has yet happened. After that I watch something that will make me smartier instead of dumberer.

    People are getting angrier Today (pardon the pun), and mass media is fanning the flame. Y'all are gonna have a lot more problems in the coming years. Stay centered, and keep your family true.
  9. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Until we (society and media) start to refer to the killer(s) as 'The Shooter(s)' and stop using their names, then this type of thing will continue. They should not have their names splashed all over the media, it only gives them the fame and glory that they are craving. I'm tired of hearing about how awful their childhoods were or that their medication wasn't working or they stopped taking it. They don't deserve to be remembered, only their victims do.
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  10. Ragan

    Ragan Free-Zone Committee Reject

    I think that's a part of the problem. We make these people celebrities. They're famous, because they did something awful. It's still fame. And it does no one any favors. Nor does the obsession with "why". It's healthy to ask why, healthy to be bothered and want to understand. But it always becomes something else almost immediately. Why did kids shoot at their school? They must have loved Marilyn Manson and played Doom. Why did a member of congress get shot? Someone must have forgotten their meds. Meanwhile, the majority of people with mental illness who are not dangerous and just trying to cope with difficult lives have to deal with the reinforced fear and stigma. Kids who love rock music get labelled as "troubled" or "at risk" over having the wrong albums in their collection. It's normal to look for answers, but it's disturbing to mine rampant speculation for nothing but ratings. The fear effect that results is horrible.

    I thought it was interesting at one site I visit. When a shooting happened, the media started plastering the shooter's name all over the place, and some of the people at the site complained about how he was getting his name everywhere. So they decided from then on, not to use his name, but refer to him as a notoriously inept cartoon villain's name. I guess the thinking was instead of making him popular, it would make him ridiculous and forgettable. I don't know if it really worked, but I thought at least they see the problem.

    What I have to point out in discussions too often, to believe the news we're living in the most dangerous, violent time, but to believe the FBI crime statistics, violent crime is lower than the 70's and 80's by far. It almost seems that in times when people are the most afraid and believe the world has gone to hell, the violent crime rate itself is down while coverage is up.
  11. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    Absolutely ditto this... well said.
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  12. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    The Culture of Fear by Glassner is an adequate book on this subject.
  13. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    This is why I refuse to use the name of the killer of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. He is nothing to me. He doesn't deserve the attention he's received.
  14. EMTP513

    EMTP513 Well-Known Member

    Personally, I don't think they give ENOUGH attention to REAL shootings, just like he said in the Essay, Guns.
    My friend who spent 2 years in Vietnam thinks we're "numbing ourselves to violence and the desensitizing needs to stop." But he also thinks they don't have realistic news and he agreed that any "real" kind of war movie would send people home with nightmares for the rest of their lives. He didn't even think the movie Platoon was able to show what it was really like in war and he thought it was hilarious that Charlie Sheen kept threatening to walk when Oliver Stone expected any Army exercises from them because he "doesn't believe Charlie Sheen would have lasted 2 minutes in Boot Camp much less in the bush in Vietnam."
    This friend was in Special Operations and he knew another guy in special ops in the Navy who said that Charlie Sheen kept stopping during the exercises they were trying to have him do and 'checking to see that his best side of his face was showing.' "
    Richard said to his friend "You should have asked him 'Is that the side that hasn't been shot up with bullets? Then your best side is showing."
    He cracks me the hell up.
    But he agreed with me about gun violence and realism.
  15. swiftdog2.0

    swiftdog2.0 Elect a clown expect a circus........

    Yes, the media absolutely gives these horrific acts too much coverage. Unfortunately, the old adage of "If it bleeds it leads" applies. Much easier to bit*h and moan about the method used to commit the atrocity rather than spending the time on getting to the root of the problem.
  16. EMTP513

    EMTP513 Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm never going to stop thinking that the guy who shot me, who acquired all 8 of his firearms legally, without alerting police that he had them, had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN. He had no right to have a freakin' SQUIRT gun much less a real one, and that's all I'll say about the topic.
    I live in pain from partial nerve damage every second of every day since I was shot and experienced a clinical death, and have cost the state untold thousands of dollars to fix it (insurance cuts you off when you cost them that much.)
    The end.
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  17. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Sorry to hear this - although I am not against gun ownership and "the right to bear arms" etc. sometimes I thank God I live in Canada
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  18. CoriSCapnSkip

    CoriSCapnSkip Well-Known Member

    Exactly the same thing I do. I will use such phrases as, "John Lennon's assassin," or "Ronald Reagan's would-be assassin." This not only puts the attention where it belongs, on the victims, but on people who actually accomplished things in life rather than people who tried to gain attention by shooting them! I had never heard Reagan connected to Lennon's shooting by way of Stephen King by the California fruitcake till the other day--what a whack job!

    Anyhow, just wanted to ask, did anyone here live near enough to one of the school shootings blamed on the novel Rage to have heard all the news coverage? I did. (Not only that, I had stayed at the home of the doctor who attended the victims, or rather the one survivor...long story.) Here is the latest news on the shooter School shooter Barry Loukaitis to be re-sentenced - Columbia Basin Herald: Crime & Fire and the shooting was also blamed for another gruesome incident less than a year later. Local News | `We're All In Shock,' Says Boy's Neighbor | Seattle Times Newspaper
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2015
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  19. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Living in a state that saw Columbine and the Batman theater shootings, then had some gun restriction laws passed, then two legislators recalled because they voted for those gun restrictions, and now seeing a publicized concerted effort to revoke the restrictions......

    Well. It just seems that rational thinking doesn't exist for anyone.

    But the same state has okayed recreational marijuana. Maybe they should just all get mellow.
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  20. CoriSCapnSkip

    CoriSCapnSkip Well-Known Member

    Unless reefer madness is real!
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