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I see bad things arising

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Grandpa, Apr 6, 2014.

  1. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure that by this time next year, the Republicans will control the House and Senate.

    That in itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is my next certainty that the Republicans will then seek to either eliminate the ACA outright or neuter it by not funding it.

    There will be no further health care options proposed, such as, "It didn't work before, we don't believe it works now, so we'll fix what we have now." Rather, it will be, "Eliminate the new system and go back to the old way." You know, the one that didn't work.

    Obama will veto this, and the Republicans don't have the numbers to be veto-proof. They won't settle for less than full defunding. Obama will not settle to see the new program die.

    By this time next year, gridlock and shutdown. I hope I'm wrong.
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...I'm just going to buy stock in Jack Daniels and then self-medicate the hell out of myself...
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  3. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Business as usual, you mean?
  4. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    IMO... For right or wrong, in 2010 the people gave the House of Representatives to the GOP and more of a voice in the Senate because they felt the Democrats squandered their two years of control (the presidency, the House and the Senate) on a purely Democratic agenda of health care and government spending, while jobs and economic worries were what the people wanted dealt with. Now we see laws passed by the House getting stalled in the Senate, except for the small stuff. So little to nothing important gets done by Congress. If the GOP does keep the House and takes the Senate this year, it will because the people want a change of course from our present path.

    I agree the president will veto much that comes out of that Congress. But will the voters look at that as something good or something politically motivated? If they view his vetos as primarily political in nature or simply protecting his legacy at the cost of what’s best for the nation, it might derail the Hillary juggernaut, and give the GOP total control come 2016. If the GOP takes control of Congress this year, it would make sense for Congress to try and eliminate ObamaCare... but only once. The GOP would be stupid to try it more than once as they couldn’t get the votes to override a presidential veto. And at that point if they didn’t work to keep what’s good in ObamaCare and fix what’s wrong, they would be doing an injustice to the people that put them in office. But if we see the skyrocketing health care insurance increases next year that the insurance companies are warning us about, the people will be demanding an immediate fix and a major overhauls to ObamaCare.

    If the GOP then squanders their time in control on mostly political motivated matters, we will see the process repeat. So I don’t necessarily see these things as bad... just self-adjusting.
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  5. Out of Order

    Out of Order Need More Time

    I thought this might be a thread about a new CCR song.
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  6. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    The people should be demanding major overhauls to the health care system which is at the root of the ridiculous amount of money that is spent on health care rather than trying to eliminate making it available to greater numbers of people, regardless of which political party is in the majority. As much as I dislike what many insurance companies charge and feel that there is bloat in their rates, I can't completely blame them when they are affected right down the line by other health care providers such as hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical companies and the legal system that allows lawsuits and settlements that are sometimes vastly out of proportion to the harm caused.
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  7. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    It's actually a throwaway line by Caiaphas from Jesus Christ Superstar.
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  8. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member


    Hospitals have gotten top-heavy, like so much of corporate America. Let's focus on those getting the job done and less on upper management working profit strategies. This is an area ripe for regulation.

    Doctors, can't say much, except it's a sad state of affairs when specialist makes ten times what a family doc makes. However, as noted elsewhere, one approach would be to open up med schools to more applicants.

    Pharmaceutical (and medical device) companies are out of control. Another area ripe for regulation. I have my proposed solution elsewhere and won't repeat it here.

    Lawsuits have a high signal-to-noise ratio. The insurance and healthcare communities like to scream about it, but with tort reform, it's become a very small piece of the problem, and I suspect the screaming is done to set up a Judas goat and divert from the real issues, because the real issues don't reflect well on the screamers. But sure, set some reasonable caps and reasonable restrictions on filing. But don't take treaters off the hook for malpractice, because many times, it's the only thing keeping them in line.
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  9. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Excellent album, lousy musical score in the movie.
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  10. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Because I'd used that line and that earworm was implanted, I sang a goodly chunk of the album while in the shower this morning.

    Does that count as a spiritual experience? If so, should I ask this in the Religion section?
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  11. ghost19

    ghost19 "Have I run too far to get home?"

    The stock is rising...I just got back from the liquor store.....
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  12. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Well, back in the early 70’s the only excitement this young hippie had towards religion would have been experienced through music. And if I recall correctly Jesus Christ Superstar and the soulful music of Cat Stevens was the closest that fit the bill. So I would vote yes on the shower thing in the Religion section, depending on how out of key you were. :)
  13. fushingfeef

    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    An increasing number of people are going to other countries for surgeries, just as many are going overseas to adopt. Why can't we seem to fix this issue? Because big money wants it this way.
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  14. staropeace

    staropeace Richard Bachman's love child

    Hey you guys over there across the border....yah, youse guys. Come over here and we'll show yah how it's done. It is not perfect by no means but it is better than what yah have. How in the hell did you make medical care so complicated? You are the world's major power, for pity's sake!
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  15. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    We don't like to mess with business. The private market does better than government.

    Unless it comes to things like infrastructure, public utilities, public safety, mass transportation, defense, land preservation.

    But EXCEPT for things like that, we want the private market to do it, because some good R&D and technological advances come out of the private market approach.

    Except for things funded out of places like CDC, NIH, NASA, DoD, NSF.

    But EXCEPT for things like that, the private market is fine, until it shows that it can't. And...

    Well, actually, the private market has shown that it can't.

    Never mind.

    Major military power, that's for darn sure.

    Unfortunately, it's easier to take people apart than put them back together.
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  16. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    What do you expect from a country run by lawyers?
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...you ain't the only one cuz.....
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...my dog likes Jack Daniels too...he just can't hold his licker...
  19. guido tkp

    guido tkp Well-Known Member

    maybe he needs a........licker license
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  20. Tery

    Tery Dreaming in Middletown Moderator

    Well, here's the thing, Grandpa.... we -- meaning we who wish to see the ACA remain in place (at least until Medicare for all) -- need to get out the vote. Register everyone you can, make sure they have ID (since the GOP is trying to rig the election that way), get them to the polls. Drive them, guide them, hell.. carry them if you have to. For some idiotic reason Democrats seem to think that the only elections that count are the ones during presidential years. That's what happened in 2010. Too many Dems stayed home, got complacent, didn't think. And, if that happens again, we really will be screwed like you say. We can avoid it but we have to make the effort!
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