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Do you believe Lee Oswald assassinated President Kennedy?

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kay brown

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Okay. Area 51 it is.

Beg pardon. Ummmm... no offense. I dislike, strongly dislike, a man calling me *Sweetie* or *HUN* My feminist (Feminism is an entire topic of and in itself. Ha!) self gets all kinda bent out of shape.

You can call me Sig, Sigs, Siggy, or Siggie.

Peace.
Okie dokie Sig heil..Sig heil...just kidding Sigmund it is
 
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staropeace

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Here we go again ...no they weren't .. but keep believing that if that's what makes you feel all tingly.. I always like on here when somebody says something they just plucked from the air like your "Most engineers...statement ..actually that isn't what most experts in thermodynamics, structural integrity, metallurgy, physics, controlled demolition..etc..etc..say.. and 9 of those goons you mentioned have been found still alive holding down responsible jobs and lives..and not one manifest has ever found to show that any of these terrorists were ever on any of these so called flights..and flight 93..that crashed in the field..looked like someone dug a trench and dumped trash in it..and zero body parts found to date...and don't forget the Pentagon hit by a bowing 747 ..all went into a nice little round hole and disappeared..no damage where the wings should have done much damage to the building and the most video protected building on the planet with close to 90 cameras and not counting surrounding businesses and not 1 video of a 747 crashing into...most experts say the Pentagon was struck by a missile..so what happended to the real planes?..but Sigmund believe the big lie if that's what trips ur trigger..
Where did you get your info if not out of the air? Are you an expert?
 

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Well, let me clarify. I do not believe in conspiracy beliefs like 911 was an inside job with George Bush/obama/Clinton etc an alien reptillian shapechanging overlord bent on total domination of the human race, or things like the Rothchilds had Kennedy and Lincoln assassinated because they didn't approve of them getting away from the banking cartels instituting their own monetary system, and things of that nature.

The assassination of Kennedy was a real conspiracy though, but just not the way the NWO believers make it out to be.
 
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Arkay Lynchpin

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A well known author writes a fictional novel based on a time-travelling fictional character whose interactions with both fictional and historically factual characters (although much of the doings and sayings of the historical characters fall under the banner of poetic licence and should be taken with a handful of salt thrown over the preferred shoulder) leads to alternate historical timelines.

The only people in this thread who have missed this point are those trying to create a mushroom cloud from a mushroom. Even the most quixotic quantum physicist would disregard such as fictional.
 

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A well known author writes a fictional novel based on a time-travelling fictional character whose interactions with both fictional and historically factual characters (although much of the doings and sayings of the historical characters fall under the banner of poetic licence and should be taken with a handful of salt thrown over the preferred shoulder) leads to alternate historical timelines.

The only people in this thread who have missed this point are those trying to create a mushroom cloud from a mushroom. Even the most quixotic quantum physicist would disregard such as fictional.
Exactly. You can't travel back in time in the keystone world (our world) , that was established in DT. There isn't a Derry Maine in our world either. It's a work of fiction about an alternate universe, where A Lee Harvey Oswald, DID shoot Kennedy. Whether he did, or didn't in our world is up for discussion, but not under '11/22/63 Novel' threads.
 
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kay brown

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Again I ask, on Google? Or should I just ask some conspiracy nut?
Okay specifically..the 2 largest search engines Google and youtube..search 911 experts..911 scam..911 truth ...there are hundreds of hours of documentaries... one I would start with as an overview about 15 min long
 

kay brown

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I don't know if this will post ..some of my replys are awaiting "Moderator " approval..so if you inquire and do not see the answer ..the moderator is either being slow or depriving you of my wisdom!
 

kay brown

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...and I apologize when I said the stupid and lazy comment earlier .. it is not that people are either it is more so that see something on tv .. on the news .. a big event .. and they believe it automatically ..never wondering or believing it possible that the people in charge have control to put out any message they desire ..and later when confronted with the idea that it could have all been a big lie.. that the people in charge who run everything lied to them and that if the story isnt true ..if terrorists didnt attack us.. .the implications are far to hard for a person to consider .. so they wont.. and they dont... and that is why a lot of these stories are so easy to shred as they government actually doesnt even care that much to plug all the holes.. I mean there are millions of people who know the truth about JFK..911 .. what are we to do? oh the day will come that there will be a worldwide reckoning for what humanity has done on this planet and to it.. of that I have no doubt.
 
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kay brown

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Well, let me clarify. I do not believe in conspiracy beliefs like 911 was an inside job with George Bush/obama/Clinton etc an alien reptillian shapechanging overlord bent on total domination of the human race, or things like the Rothchilds had Kennedy and Lincoln assassinated because they didn't approve of them getting away from the banking cartels instituting their own monetary system, and things of that nature.

The assassination of Kennedy was a real conspiracy though, but just not the way the NWO believers make it out to be.
Well that is just special.. thanks for sharing your views. I for one will sleep better tonight knowing that due to your extensive research into these subjects that is the informed world rocking view you have came up with. Do I have your permission to alert the media and notify the President? I for one was on the fence about the reptilian shape changing over lord.. I was actually speculating that he was Obama... but your fact laden reply clarified things for me .. Have you ever thought about becoming a journalistic reporter? By the extensive standards I see in place today.. you would probably do quite well..and kudo's for your spelling I only picked up 1 goof. I probably have way more than that.
 

kay brown

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Can you invest 20 minutes to make an informed decision on the validity of this claim?.. or is it to much of your time?
 

Lee9900

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Well that is just special.. thanks for sharing your views. I for one will sleep better tonight knowing that due to your extensive research into these subjects that is the informed world rocking view you have came up with. Do I have your permission to alert the media and notify the President? I for one was on the fence about the reptilian shape changing over lord.. I was actually speculating that he was Obama... but your fact laden reply clarified things for me .. Have you ever thought about becoming a journalistic reporter? By the extensive standards I see in place today.. you would probably do quite well..and kudo's for your spelling I only picked up 1 goof. I probably have way more than that.

Yep. This is why I consider those beliefs jsut another kind of a religion.
Ok Mods. Moderator That's a personal attack on a new tet member right there. Can something be done?

:smile2: thanks

Thank you. i've already reported it.
 

Lee9900

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Well that is just special.. thanks for sharing your views. I for one will sleep better tonight knowing that due to your extensive research into these subjects that is the informed world rocking view you have came up with. Do I have your permission to alert the media and notify the President? I for one was on the fence about the reptilian shape changing over lord.. I was actually speculating that he was Obama... but your fact laden reply clarified things for me .. Have you ever thought about becoming a journalistic reporter? By the extensive standards I see in place today.. you would probably do quite well..and kudo's for your spelling I only picked up 1 goof. I probably have way more than that.

My father was a Freemason, and i have a library of over two hundred Masonic publicans, including the Morals And Dogma by Alfred Pike.

What have you got?

I, however, am not a Freemason because I do not believe in a higher power.
 
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kay brown

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My father was a Freemason, and i have a library of over two hundred Masonic publicans, including the Morals And Dogma by Alfred Pike.

What have you got?

I, however, am not a Freemason because I do not believe in a higher power.
The controversial subject of 11/22/63 has resulted in 2 sides.. I am one side.. the majority on this board is on the other ..What have I got you say? Regarding JFK I have offered links.. videos ..which are there for the viewing ..someone responded that I must believe in other conspiracy theories as well. I responded then to the subject they suggested of 911 which I think I have offered up some valid questions to the official story only lightly touching on that topic, which has nothing to do with JFK. Now you have brought up another multi-tiered subject in freemasonry and a higher power.. freemasonry I have little knowledge of as I have not studied it.. I have ran across it.. a higher power is a subject I am interested in perse.. like what happens after you die .. are there consequences to a persons actions etc..... after being raised a mormon and feeling first hand what I took as hypocrisy and rejecting it I have done much soul searching and research.. one thing resonated with me and I have studied it extensively.. I will not offer it up for attack here .. You are well written, articulate and serious minded when you choose to be on here and I feel I have responded in kind right now.. in spite of the numerous complaints I received both publicly and in private from my last reply to your post that basically boiled my position down to what is acceptable here that conspiracy believers are by nature kooks.. which on here being in the minority goes with out complaint by the majority. For example on another post a person responded to my serious reply with a picture of his self and his cat with rather made tinfoil hats on their heads (it was actually funny) ..that they were necessary before he could examine what I put forth as serious information... that was well cheered on and applauded by the majority. There were no complaints. I quite expect to be attacked as well for this reply... a serious question to your belief.. you do not see a grand intelligence behind creation? .. for example the concept of sight and then the creation of an eye to implement it .. sexual procreation to advance into the future all species and being tied in with pleasure and beauty ..are they just random happen chances to you?
 
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The controversial subject of 11/22/63 has resulted in 2 sides.. I am one side.. the majority on this board is on the other ..What have I got you say? Regarding JFK I have offered links.. videos ..which are there for the viewing ..someone responded that I must believe in other conspiracy theories as well. I responded then to the subject they suggested of 911 which I think I have offered up some valid questions to the official story only lightly touching on that topic, which has nothing to do with JFK. Now you have brought up another multi-tiered subject in freemasonry and a higher power.. freemasonry I have little knowledge of as I have not studied it.. I have ran across it.. a higher power is a subject I am interested in perse.. like what happens after you die .. are there consequences to a persons actions etc..... after being raised a mormon and feeling first hand what I took as hypocrisy and rejecting it I have done much soul searching and research.. one thing resonated with me and I have studied it extensively.. I will not offer it up for attack here .. You are well written, articulate and serious minded when you choose to be on here and I feel I have responded in kind right now.. in spite of the numerous complaints I received both publicly and in private from my last reply to your post that basically boiled my position down to what is acceptable here that conspiracy believers are by nature kooks.. which on here being in the minority goes with out complaint by the majority. For example on another post a person responded to my serious reply with a picture of his self and his cat with rather made tinfoil hats on their heads (it was actually funny) ..that they were necessary before he could examine what I put forth as serious information... that was well cheered on and applauded by the majority. There were no complaints. I quite expect to be attacked as well for this reply... a serious question to your belief.. you do not see a grand intelligence behind creation? .. for example the concept of sight and then the creation of an eye to implement it .. sexual procreation to advance into the future all species and being tied in with pleasure and beauty ..are they just random happen chances to you?
No. No more attacks. Please everyone.

Members: stay on topic in discussion with Kay. Any jokes, comments off topic or cats will be deleted.

Please help make my job easier and if you can't discuss the topic with Kay, walk away.
 
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Lee9900

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The controversial subject of 11/22/63 has resulted in 2 sides.. I am one side.. the majority on this board is on the other ..What have I got you say? Regarding JFK I have offered links.. videos ..which are there for the viewing ..someone responded that I must believe in other conspiracy theories as well. I responded then to the subject they suggested of 911 which I think I have offered up some valid questions to the official story only lightly touching on that topic, which has nothing to do with JFK. Now you have brought up another multi-tiered subject in freemasonry and a higher power.. freemasonry I have little knowledge of as I have not studied it.. I have ran across it.. a higher power is a subject I am interested in perse.. like what happens after you die .. are there consequences to a persons actions etc..... after being raised a mormon and feeling first hand what I took as hypocrisy and rejecting it I have done much soul searching and research.. one thing resonated with me and I have studied it extensively.. I will not offer it up for attack here .. You are well written, articulate and serious minded when you choose to be on here and I feel I have responded in kind right now.. in spite of the numerous complaints I received both publicly and in private from my last reply to your post that basically boiled my position down to what is acceptable here that conspiracy believers are by nature kooks.. which on here being in the minority goes with out complaint by the majority. For example on another post a person responded to my serious reply with a picture of his self and his cat with rather made tinfoil hats on their heads (it was actually funny) ..that they were necessary before he could examine what I put forth as serious information... that was well cheered on and applauded by the majority. There were no complaints. I quite expect to be attacked as well for this reply... a serious question to your belief.. you do not see a grand intelligence behind creation? .. for example the concept of sight and then the creation of an eye to implement it .. sexual procreation to advance into the future all species and being tied in with pleasure and beauty ..are they just random happen chances to you?

i personally believe that within the universe is both chaos and order.

They can both exist together, or they can exist separately.

It's like what happens with all of human society.

first, there are only humans and there are no laws an governments, only anarchy. This is chaos. As time goes on, bad things happen so laws and rules are created to combat it. This is how order is created.

eventually all governments become inundated by ginormous amounts of laws, and thus the government, regardless of what form it initially started out as, becomes a tyranny.

Eventually people get tired of living in a tyranny, then they rebel and all of society and government breaks down into anarchy. Which is chaos.

That is the way of things.

A black hole, is both order and chaos. It is very possible that planets and life can not form without them, since there is one at the center of this galaxy. But it has huge chaotic effects on the surrounding space. They say not even light can escape, but some black holes have incredibly large streams of x rays emitted from its center. Chaos and order. order to chaos.

An asphalt road is also a good metaphor for order and chaos existing together.

Fire is a destroyer, but it also clears away old stuff so that new life can form. Pine cones need high temperatures to release their seeds when animals don't get at them.

it is my own personal belief that conspiracy believers are irrational to some degree. Because they can not accept that they just might be wrong and might have badly misinterpreted the things they have come across. Many of them, no matter how respectively or tactfully they are treated, get incredibly upset over mere disagreements because they expect people to just accept their words without any form of critical thinking and launch into personal attacks. That is irrational.

Keeping an open mind must work both ways. That means one msut be objective and fair, and a lot of conspiracy believers just are not. Many of them are liars and downright dishonest people. A lot of these beliefs do not hold any real water when they are truly objectively and fairly examined. Not to mention they suffer from a huge a mount of confirmation bias.

For example, people who go on about Puma Punku being aliens did it often ignore things like tools that were left there and rope marks on the stone. They ignore other forms of archeological evidence on the great pyramids of Giza and other pyramids of egypt. For instance....

going on about the age of the Sphinx and it must have been water erosion.

They ignore that the Sphinx has had to be repaired several times in the 1900s because of damage by wind and sand erosion, and that form of erosion can be mistaken for water erosion. Such as:

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Thutmosis was the first to help preserve the Sphinx. He did this by:


1) After clearing away the sand in the precinct, he built the protective mud brick walls around the Sphinx to protect it from wind and sand.

2) He discovered that the Sphinx was damaged and that the old kingdom stones were falling down. He put them back in their original places, and may have commissioned more.

3) He brought a granite stela from Aswan and inscribed the story known as the dream story.

To Ramesses II may be attributed the two stelae between the two front paws of the Sphinx and the other artifacts inscribed with his name that were found there. The existence of these objects suggests that he may also have engaged in restoration activities at the Sphinx, such as replacing some of the fallen stones that had been restored by Thutmosis IV. Ramses's son, Kha-em-wase, known as the first Egyptologist and restorer, may also have restored the sphinx in the same manner as his father. The Turin papyrus mentions that workmen in the time of Ramesses lI took stone for Hor-m-mn-nfr. Some scholars have recognized in this name the Sphinx's name Horoun, one of the names used in the New kingdom to refer to the Sphinx. Artifacts attributed to other kings, e.g., Ay, Horemheb, Seti I, and Merenptah, have also been discovered in the area of the Sphinx, but there is no evidence to suggest these kings sponsored any restorations of that great monument.

For full source of the history of the Sphinx's conservation see this website here:


HISTORY OF THE CONSERVATION OF THE SPHINX

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But uh, 15,000 years ago, right?

Objectivity and fairness means that you base your conclusions on the research and the results, not on what you want to, or don't' want to believe. That is being fair and open minded.

One of the most weakest arguments that these believers use basically is thusly: if it looks like something then it must be that something and it can't be anything else. Respect my authoritay.

So I'm sorry, while I am not entirely closed off to these ideas, I highly prefer more down to earth conclusions and evidence, and will always view many believers as being irrational and either honestly mistaken or down right liars and scam artists.

I have nothing more to say to you.
 
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kay brown

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Regarding your statements on conspiracy ..that they are to degree irrational ..that they can not accept that they might be wrong. .regarding JFK as the example this post is about .. the same thing could be said of those people who believe Oswald was the lone assassin of JFK....you don't specifically mention JFK and tack that viewpoint on to conspiracy believers in general ..that they can be scam artists and such..well yes sure..that can apply to about anything and anybody..but not every belief or everybody is that label valid... in this post subject which is based on the authors disbelief that Oswald did it.. you didn't specifically address JFK or Oswald. You tacked that label ..conspiracy believers on my reply and mixed it in with other beliefs not on topic..reptilian overlords..the Rothchilds..etc..like they're all the same subject and all worthy of discounting them as not having any truth...it is 110am here..I'm tired.. ...I am going to delve more in to what you wrote tomorrow.. you brought up a lot of things..pyramids..black holes..chaos....but again i ask you regarding your disbelief in a higher power are you saying it's all just chance? ..it's chance that the concept of sight..eyes to make sight possible ..color to make it all beautiful...just happened per chance?..with no intelligent creation behind it? I'm just using sight as one example. Look.at all.of life and creation ..in its many forms and how the blend in needing each other..it's all what billions years went by and this moment in time every thing we experience just happened by accident..are you saying chaos caused it? ..I mean I think chaos effects life..but does not create it.
 
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