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Lord Of The Flies

Discussion in 'Bred Any Good Rooks Lately? (Suggested Reading)' started by AnnaRose, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. AnnaRose

    AnnaRose Well-Known Member

    Finished this two days ago. A great book, I suggest anyone who hasn't read to do so.

    I am curious to know all of your reactions to the spiral into savagery (is that a word?) the boys undergo. How did it make you look at humanity differently?

    I am a cynic and have my doubts about humanity. I believe humans are evil at the core. The boys constantly put emphasis on what adults would do. To me this shows that they are (were) civilized because that's what they were taught and how they were raised, but when left on their own they turn savage.

    And not to bring sexism into it, but how do you think the story would have changed if there were boys and girls or all girls?
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  2. staropeace

    staropeace Richard Bachman's love child

    I loved this book when I was a kid. I loved Piggy. If it were all girls, they would not have behaved so badly. We do not have this urge for blood sport.
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...I have you beat honey... I'm a cynical pessimist...BUT...I still believe that in more than we can imagine-are human souls with the light of good...boys AND girls?...uber-violent...sex drive does ugly things to a boys souls, especially one that has become unfettered from societal norms and expectations...and I agree with Staro about the ladies...
  4. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    There's a great line in Don Quixote by Cervantes...a story everyone should find the time to read:
    Virtue is persecuted by the wicked more than it is loved by the good.
    We do tend to gravitate toward the bad, hey? In some ways, the story also reminds me of John Knowles's, A Separate Peace...story of two boys (I think they are mid-teens) during the war years, the big war, the war to end all war...or the one after, who can keep them straight anymore. But in Knowles's story, Gene & Phineas, w/o benefit of the lack of adult supervision, safe within the boundaries of their community, play all manner of rough games, preparing themselves for war, seems to me. We, too, as boys, played all manner of games, almost in the same fashion as the boys on the island...we fashioned spears from branches we collected in the nearby woods (our four-gable schoolhouse backed up to the woods on one side) and we fashioned red sandstone points for tips. We didn't go to the lengths as the boys on the island...but we were just a breath away.

    Would the story have been different w/boys & girls...or just girls? Yes...but only after a fashion. Take a cue from any reality television show where such a scenario exists...one bachelor and twenty-five women...or vice versa. Survivor...another...it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to believe the story would have only differed by degrees.
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  5. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    Read John Dollar by Marianne Wiggins for an answer to the second part of your question. Great book as well.
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  6. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    What a great book. I think that without civilizing influences, if one is clinging by fingernails to the thin edge of survival, life would be "nasty, brutish, and short" for most people. We're at our nadir of Maslow's hierarchy of needs at that point--we're animals trying to survive. I don't think that it would be different if it was girls. There might be some difference with grown women if there were dependent children involved. In that situation, our genetic programming would likely lend itself to protection of the young. It could be better--more organization, etc--but it could also be more vicious, if women were battling to keep their own children alive instead of pooling resources for the group.
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  7. MadamMack

    MadamMack M e m b e r

    I agree and I think it would have been the same with females too. I'm a cynic as well.
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  8. Winter

    Winter Well-Known Member

    I've not read it. I think maybe I should....
  9. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    It's excellent... but quite hard going in places.
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  10. AnnaRose

    AnnaRose Well-Known Member

    I read A Separate Peace this year for school. I hadn't thought of it in relation to Lord of the Flies but, now that you mention it, I can see the relation.
  11. AnnaRose

    AnnaRose Well-Known Member

    That sounds good, I'll get on it.
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  12. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    It may be out of print. Let me know if you find it.
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  13. MadamMack

    MadamMack M e m b e r

    I am reading Scherzo: Murder and Mystery in 18th Century Venice by Jim Williams.

    I like it so far . . .
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  14. MadamMack

    MadamMack M e m b e r

    Brain fart . . .wrong thread . . .my bad!!!!
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  15. king family fan

    king family fan Prolific member

    I am re-reading lord of the flies.
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  16. AnnaRose

    AnnaRose Well-Known Member

    Things would definitely get crazy with boys and girls...but all girls...it might take longer to get to that violent of a level, but it would get there eventually. At least if I was on the island...
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  17. Chuggs

    Chuggs Well-Known Member

    I read it recently because I never had. It was good, not great. I think the savagery came on a bit too fast, but it rings true in a lot of ways. While the story was good, I can't really say that I liked it. Glad I read it though.
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  18. AnnaRose

    AnnaRose Well-Known Member

    Interesting. I though the savagery was eased into quite well.
    I tend to find anything stranded/lost themed interesting.
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  19. Ben.

    Ben. Well-Known Member

    I'm currently teaching this to thirty fifteen year-olds. They aren't loving it. The only things they love are the related texts that are more modern - like Survivor. Stupid diluted culture!

    Edit: AND AND AND. The next time one of them calls it Lord of the Rings, they are getting a detention. Haha.
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  20. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    :biggrin2: kids!
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