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New York banning e-cigs...............

Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by staropeace, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Well, unless you force it down my throat physically I cannot see how caffeine could compare to having to breathe the same air that a smoker is spewing out. Like Steve Martin said -
    If a smoker asks "Do you mind if I smoke?" I reply "Do you mind if I fart?"
  2. VampireLily

    VampireLily Vampire Goddess & Consumer of men's souls.

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  3. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Good question! Second-hand smoke (from tobacco products) contains carcinogens (which is also found in some prepared foods and nuts), and does impose health risks. e-cigs do not contain carcinogens -- but many brands do contain nicotine, which is an equivalent to caffeine as they are both psychotropic drugs, but not cancer causing.
  4. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    I certainly can't claim I'm not biased as I'm a coffee drinker but a non-smoker so the psychotropic drug part of caffeine doesn't bother me and don't see how my addiction to my 2 cups of coffee a day are going to harm anyone else especially since I usually only drink it at home. I do, however, have a real problem with breathing in second hand smoke and I very much appreciate that thanks to government regulations I no longer am exposed to it in public places where those with that habit that could cause me harm to my health. It's one of the things I didn't much enjoy in Europe where they haven't imposed those bans to the extent we have (yet) and people smoke a LOT there. What exactly would the psychotropic effects be for those who would be unwittingly exposed to it?
  5. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    An old ad for how to make a menthol inhaler - wow :wha:
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  6. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    I respect that. But second hand vapor from an e-cig cannot be equated to second-hand smoke from tobacco. But the vapor from an e-cig can be equated to the vapors from brewing coffee, as they have the same (good or bad) effects.

    They might feel good. ;)
  7. Terry B

    Terry B Well-Known Member

  8. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    If those things are equal and they know for sure that there is nothing in the e-cigs that is harmful, then I don't have a problem with it. At one time, cigarette smoking was thought to be benign as well. One problem I see these days for nearly every product testing is so much conflicting "evidence" for one side or the other because studies are being funded by those with a vested interest in the outcome. Who do you trust?
  9. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    I have never been in a room where someone was smoking an e-cig so it's hard to judge. My Mom smoked for 60 years and I remember the old days when people smoked in offices, elevators, inside cars, at parties etc. It was awful!
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  10. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    I have and it's not as unpleasant as tobacco cigarettes--doesn't smell as bad and I didn't get a burning sensation in my throat the way I do around people who are smoking tobacco. But whether it's harmful or not because of the second-hand smoke, not really sure as I've seen conflicting reports.
  11. AnnaMarie

    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    Isn't alcohol banned at all but restaurants? And it is banned at some of them. The only restaurants you can drink in you have to buy it there.

    What is in that vapour? Has it been proven non-harmful? I don't want to sit near people smoking them.
  12. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    IMO, the ban on e-cigarettes involves a two-fold attack, and neither involve scientific findings.

    First, there is a prohibitionist mindset blinded by ideology, hell-bent on removing by gov’t regulations any behavior they deem unacceptable. This group refuses to accept any behavior that looks like smoking, regardless that it might be saving lives. And they don’t think you should be able decide how to live your own life.

    The second comes in a combined attack from the government, the tobacco industry and big pharma. The federal government gets $1.01 in federal excise taxes on every pack of cigarettes. And if you look at New York City in particular, your combined state and local tax on a pack is an additional $6.46. So it makes sense for New York to try as hard as they can to ban e-cigs - which are not equally taxed. The tobacco industry loses revenues when people chose e-cigs over traditional tobacco cigarettes. And big pharma makes billions on smoking cestation drugs, and e-cigs cut into their revenues.
  13. Out of Order

    Out of Order Need More Time

    Next they'll be banning people taking steam..........
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  14. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    I have. Many times. And as someone who struggled for years with (and finally won) an addiction to nicotine, I prefer it not to be blown in my space.
  15. AnnaMarie

    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    Where can you smoke a real cigarette that you cannot smoke an e-cigarette? I don't know anyone that successfully quit smoking through this as a tool. I do know people that switched to e-cigarettes for public places where cigarettes were not allowed. So in reality, they are not reducing the amount the government collects in taxes.
  16. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Don't rightly know, but the debate involves the reverse.

    Maybe yes, maybe no. But if that is the agrument for having a ban, it is simply the prohibitionist mindset.

    In reality, every pack of e-cigs sold in place of a pack of tobacco cigs reduces the amount of taxes the government collects.
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  17. AnnaMarie

    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    In place of being the important part.

    If you continue buying cigarettes for where ever you are allowed them, and smoke e-cigs in places like restaurants and beaches, then they are in addition to rather then in place of.


    Is it now illegal to buy or sell them? My understanding is, it's just not allowed where other people are forced to breath it in. Same as cigarettes.
  18. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    I can only attest to what I see in my state (PA). They are sold just about everywhere.

    Again, only going by my state, AFAIK there are no state, county or municipality laws or ordinances against their use at the current time, so I guess you can vape just about anywhere. The "smoke" you see exhaled is Propylene Glycol, and is harmless. It is used in making theatrical fog and as an ingredient in soaps, personal lubricants and intravenous medicines.
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  19. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    Nope. Just illegal to "smoke" them in public,
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  20. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

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