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Discussion in 'Religion' started by Tery, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    I knew there was a difference - those nuns scared the heck out of me with their giant crosses swinging from their waists. Thanks for the clarification @Tery! :encouragement::snowman::frog::cheerful:
  2. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    Am currently reading Scott Cunningham's book, Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner to try to understand more about paganism. There's a lot in it that resonates for me--more so than other religions but not sure how much I would be able to get into the rituals. The thing I'm taking away from it, though, is that you can take what does have meaning for you and leave the rest as it's more about the authentic feeling connected with it than the trappings of the ritual itself. I very much like the idea of the equality of a goddess and god and that each has their place in the greater plan and that female energy is not the source of the downfall of man (Adam) or is lesser than man.
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  3. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    The older I get, the less I think of God as a man (or a woman, for that matter). I believe in a life force, not dependent on a human 'shell', so to speak, as it is not human. It seems to me that most positive religions come back to the same thing: Do no harm. Whatever name we choose to call it, the life force is the same :) Whatever rituals we use are for US, to help US feel connected to Life. Live and let live is my motto. (Whoa. Maybe I'm a Jedi, not a Catholic--lol)

    BTW, Ms. Mod., I've read that the original Hebrew in the Old Testament was mistranslated down the line. Eve was created from Adam's side in the oldest writings, not his rib--since the book was a creation STORY, meant to teach reliance on God and not as a medical or scientific treatise, it's a metaphor for the feminine and masculine being two halves of a whole. Neither was lesser. That's a construct that came later. :)
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  4. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    @skimom2 - Maybe I'm foggy, but it seems like in RCIA I learned that the entire Pentateuch is comprised of creation stories that were spread word of mouth centuries before anyone knew how to write and are similar in most organized religions - so Adam and Eve, Noah, et al are just "stories".
  5. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Yup. That's the way they taught moral lessons then--by stories (and really, don't you remember lessons taught in books/movies via story better than you do a dry recitation of 'facts'? We haven't really changed all that much). The official stance of the church is that they aren't meant to be taken as literal truth; it is the message about God and the life lessons that you are meant to understand. That's why a 'Catholic Fundamentalist' shouldn't exist, except as someone who doesn't know what his/her religion actually teaches.
  6. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    Well said!
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  7. Autumn Gust

    Autumn Gust Well-Known Member

    One of the benefits of performing a ritual, at least for me, is that it serves as a way to channel my concentration. From reading the book, you know that concentration is vital in Wiccan work. To me, the God and Goddess are perfect, complementary parts of the Life Force, which is everything.
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  8. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Thanks. Actually my limited knowledge of paganism comes form an interest in archeology and anthropology through documentaries. I’m a sucker for historical and scientific documentaries. Common themes I’ve noticed in several ancient sites involve an alignment of pillars that have been discovered to correspond to the sun, moon and stars that served as a rudimentary calendar in ancient times, and also the sacrificial table, many which had grooves that channel the blood of sacrifices. Interesting fact about the donating of pints for a good cause - I wasn't aware of that. After looking it up, I see this is in fact the case, and that small amounts of one’s own blood (several drops) are sometimes also used in ceremonies. And yes, blood sacrifices have a vast history in ancient Greek, Roman, Sumerian, Chinese, Celtic, and Pre-Columbian cultures. But I was more interested in the theory, motivation and usage in modern times, as in the Orthodox Jewish faith that I noted (which I have have also discussed with an acquaintance who is teacher of the Jewish faith, and I subsequently found out my questions were recently used in teachings and discussions at prominent NYC synagogue). I’m still interested as to why the use of blood sacrifices continues in paganism today, when it has disappeared from other religions and cultures. Is it primarily to do with the energy blood theoritically carries -- used in order to achieve a specific goal in a pagan ceremony?
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  9. fushingfeef

    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    I was raised Catholic so I was fed a lot of misinformation about Pagans and Wiccans. I was told anything to do with the occult would land me in Hell. Naturally of course I gravitated towards horror! Anyway, I think it's great if anyone has found a belief system that works for them and is able to find a community in which they feel belonging.
  10. Tery

    Tery Dreaming in Middletown Moderator

    That's exactly right. Remember what Dracula said" "The blood is the life." If you are willing to give some of your life force for something, it gives it more gravitas and energy. It's kind of like saying to the Universe, "I really, REALLY mean it!" ;)
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  11. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Dracula... what the hell!!! Whatever happened to "Harm None?" :)
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  12. Autumn Gust

    Autumn Gust Well-Known Member

    For a very special spell, using a drop of your own blood will increase its effectiveness.
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  13. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Would this be where they got the idea for blood brothers, where you each cut your hand and then grasp each other's hands so the blood mixes?
  14. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    This also happened in the book Outlander, when Jamie and Claire got married:

    The ceremony is rather traditional except for the pagan ritual of cutting their hands and holding the cut hands together mixing their blood.

    They say the Gaelic words and make their way from the church where Claire promptly faints to the ground caught by Jamie.

    “That bad, was it?” Jamie asks when she comes to. A little later she asks what the words were that she had just said to Jamie during the blood tie. He tells her its meaning.

    “Ye are Blood of my Blood, and Bone of my Bone. I give ye my body, that we Two might be One. I give ye my Spirit, ‘til our Life shall be Done.”
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  15. Autumnlyn

    Autumnlyn BOOYA!

    It is amazing how many of todays rituals of celebration have pagan origins. When my childrens school was discussing the origins of Christmas, I made sure that they included the pagan celebration of Yule. Do some research, it's amazing how many things were 'borrowed' by other religions to include in their celebrations. Just goes to show you "All Gods are One God".
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  16. Shoe

    Shoe Ka 'n' stuff

    Ka is a Wheel...:idea:...Wheel of the Year....;)
  17. Autumn Gust

    Autumn Gust Well-Known Member

    My husband and I did this, sort of. We each pricked the tip of one of our fingers and mixed our blood. It was my idea. When I first suggested it, he was squeamish-- he didn't see it as super romantic, like I did :laugh: so I didn't mention it again. But a few days later he brought it up to me and we did it. It was cool! He says he's felt kind of run down ever since...
  18. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    I wonder if paganism or wicca will ever be truly accepted without disdain by mainstream America. Take the case of Christine O’Donnell’s run for Senate in 2010. She was the Republican Party candidate for the Delaware US Senate seat vacated by Joe Biden after he became Vice President. Granted O'Donnell had problems with funding and political inexperience, and the media for some reason early in the election keyed on some of her personal fiscal difficulties, but when Bill Maher pulled out of clip from a decade prior in which she admitted that she dabbled in witchcraft in her teen years, it tanked any chance she had of winning the election in the public eye. The media witch hunt (pardon the pun) on O’Donnell’s association with witchcraft was so bad that O’Donnell’s new savvy political advisers had her make a TV campaign ad for the voters claiming she was "not a witch". But it didn’t matter, the remainder of the campaign mainly focused on witchcraft in the eye of the public who continued to label her a witch and not fit for the public office she was seeking.

    Even today when I bring up her name to anyone remembering her run for the US Senate, the first thing out of their mouth is "Witch!"
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  19. VampireLily

    VampireLily Vampire Goddess & Consumer of men's souls.

    i'm one of those rare witches that doesn't believe in a Diety.... i worship the earth itself and all the wonderful creatures that inhabit it. I've always known myself as a Witch and never Wicca. When i was younger, i studied Celtic Crafte, did the coven thing, and was eventually the Priestess of my own coven. When my coven disbanded, i was able to truly look within and reevaluate my thoughts on the crafte as a whole. This was when i realized that i honestly didn't believe in a diety that helped steer us towards the inevitable 'whatever'.

    What i DO believe is that we are all related through stardust... that billions of years ago some brilliant star became the sacrifice that in turn became 'life'. All those amazing particles of hydrogen & helium.... the gorgeous reality of nucleosynthesis. I like to think that billions of years ago, our existences began together in that cradle of light and that there we rested in each others arms until we went Supernova and blasted out into the darkness of space. What a miracle we are, huh?

    And that's why i'm a witch.... not to serve a diety but rather the miracle of us.
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  20. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    I though for sure you’d be a follower of Loki...The God of Mischief. :)

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