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SCOTUS and Hobby Lobby

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Shasta, Jun 30, 2014.


Do you think SCOTUS made the right decision?

  1. No

    19 vote(s)
  2. Yes

    7 vote(s)
  3. I pay no attention to what's going on in the world

    2 vote(s)
  1. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    I once help out with a company function as a salesperson for a weekend. After I took the time to help this lady with all her questions she told me I was the “best salesman she ever met.” I replied “what a horrible thing to say.” She looked at me in wonder, then laughed when I gave her a wink. :)
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  2. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    I heard it, too, and i agree with Grandpa: I think there is still a loophole created by this ruling wherein a company could use religious objection to avoid paying for medical care. Berg really did not address that issue. Racial policy is already codified in law, with years of tests behind it; I can see why he concentrated on that issue, as it he could support his defense of the ruling fairly well. Medical; care, though...different ball of wax. And until 'sexual orientation' is included as a protected class, I think there is still some worry there.
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  3. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    This is exactly what has instilled the fear back in my heart. After we, as a society, have made such large strides in stopping discrimination based on sexual identity, this debacle of a decision by the SCOTUS has not just opened the door but ripped it off of its hinges for a myriad of cases of discrimination based on sexual identity. It won't be long before something will come up, mark my words.
  4. Lord Tyrion

    Lord Tyrion Well-Known Member

    I believe Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont, is the only one in the US.
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  5. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    It already has.
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  6. EMTP513

    EMTP513 Well-Known Member

    I don't care WHAT they "believe," but when you have a friend who's also a Civil Rights and Criminal Law attorney who can show you proof-positive evidence that they profited off a $71 million investment on the morning-after pill, you're not exactly going to believe that "birth control matters" to that person if it didn't also "matter" when making $71 million off birth control pills.
    You're going to think they're wanton liars and, if you go to their page and ask them about it, then find yourself blocked from their page forever, you're going to lose every last drop of reasonable trust you wanted to give to them.
    They not only didn't answer the question, they blocked me from ever asking again and deleted the question.
    They can go f*** themselves from here on out. That's my attitude on the matter and I don't care who disagrees with it.
    I held out as long as I could with giving them the benefit of the doubt even after he showed me hard-core evidence that they profited from the morning-after pill. I even gave them a chance to explain themselves. They responded by making themselves look more suspicious than a fox in a henhouse.
    I have no more desire to do anything decent when it concerns them.
  7. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Don't worry. I have a permit!!!

    For the record, I use the term neocon to describe someone on the far right. If that's an insult to be considered as on the far right, so be it.

    It plows past the other monikers used to hide the underlying ideology... GOP, republican, libertarian, tea partier, etc. Neo-conservatism involves those who invoke the pure form of conservative thought.

    Again, if you feel insulted as being described this way, be glad. :)
  8. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    So you wouldn’t have any problem if I responded in kindness by calling you a “Commie” at every turn? That you’d in fact “be glad?” ;)
  9. EMTP513

    EMTP513 Well-Known Member

    I don't understand why they all despise the death penalty so much. Even after hearing the special circumstances that absolutely HAVE to be present before you're even considered for the death penalty, they STILL don't like it.

    Even when they hear that the killer stabbed an 18 y.o girl more than 31 times and made the last stab go all the through her body and stick into the floor, after robbing her dad for money and trying to kill him before they killed the girl. I don't see how ANYone can jump on a moral high horse and ride it like the Pony Express, running around calling people "inhumane" just because the people in question can see no alternative justice for such a crime.
    Or when the killer rapes a 2 y.o boy and then murders him.
    I don't know what the hell these people think is so damn wonderful about such brutal, ruthless "people" but I'm tired of their holier-than-thou for killers act.
  10. Autumn Gust

    Autumn Gust Well-Known Member

    I've never found the word "socialist" insulting. In fact, my personal political philosophy leans that way. I would glady have less so that everyone else could have a basic level of shelter, food, and medical care. I'm not concerned with people attaining upper middle-class status or even moderate wealth; it's the obscenely rich I have a problem with. How they can sleep at night, I'll never know. Skimming off some of their wealth won't solve every social problem but that money, marginal to them, sure could be put to better use than sitting in a bank vault, buying a ninth vacation mansion, or funding their descendents to the seventh generation.
  11. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    I agree. I can't say I'd have an issue with someone calling me a "Commie" or a "Socialist." Of course, I don't have a problem with people calling me much, except for a slut for being on birth control.

    But of course, the person who is freaking out about being called a "name" is real to quick to bash an entire group of women. Isn't that how it normally is? People can dish it out but they can't take it.
  12. Lily Sawyer

    Lily Sawyer B-dazzled

    I'll give you an amen for that, but that shouldn't come as a big surprise, given that I'm pink. When what is reaped from the system works to everyone's advantage, socialism works.
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  13. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Don't worry. I have a permit!!!

    Well since I am not 12 years old, name calling doesn't get to me too much. Also being as I am not a "commie" or subscribe to that philosophy, it would be inaccurate. So it'd just fall into line with the rest of the insisted jabs you and the right wing sect here like to take on EVERY SINGLE issue. Tiresome, but nonetheless revelatory of a lack of any real argument.

    As soon as you stop parroting neo-conservative BS talking points as your "take" then I will stop calling it neocon. Until then, you're a neocon. The only people who get miffed about being called a neocon are neocons. Most people, at least in the US, would find the term commie to be intended as insult. Mostly because it isn't saying one espouses communist philosophy so much as it is to say they aren't "American enough".

    Neocon simply means you espouse that philosophy. Which, in my opinion is the mentality level of 12 year olds (which may be why you'd get upset... see my opening statement), is founded on exclusionary philosophy, based on assumptions and prejudgments and lacks the ability to adapt to the ever changing world. Beyond that, awesome folks. :)

    But, I wouldn't call you a commie. :a24:
  14. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Don't worry. I have a permit!!!

    LOL... ahhhh. But I'd interject again, "neocon" isn't a name, it's a political philosophy. People who tend to take things as name calling usually do so because THEY would be calling someone a name if using monikers, therefore isn't EVERYONE who does? After all, the backbone of neocon objection to all things reasonable and fair is essentially: "You can't do that!! A$$holes like me will take advantage of it!!!!"
  15. VampireLily

    VampireLily Vampire Goddess & Consumer of men's souls.

    ..........................................................marry me?
  16. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Don't worry. I have a permit!!!

    Oh now... :redface:
  17. VampireLily

    VampireLily Vampire Goddess & Consumer of men's souls.

  18. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

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  19. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Oh I agree with some of what you say. And the jabs go both ways my friend, but usually they are entertaining and have some semblance of wit. But I won’t call you a Commie because I think is rather an immature ploy, just like using the term Neocon. I think you and I know I’m nothing like a Neocon, just as you are nothing like a Commie. But I understand why you do it, and I get a chuckle whenever you do. You’re not using it to get to me, you’re using it to get a rise out of the those who live politics by little more than the talking points of their respective value/political belief talking heads. And looking at some (not all) of the “likes” you get when do it, you’ve achieved your goal to some extent. For the most part I’ll engage you when you’re reasonable, even if I don’t agree which I admit is very often, and tend to just ignore you when you’re not. Now don't go off and pout young man or I'll have to give you a time out. ;)

    And go ahead and call me a Commie, it fits just about as well as does Neocon. :)
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  20. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm not much for namecalling, accurately or not. It's a tactic that takes the discussion out of a reasoned dialogue (assuming one existed, and if it didn't, I see no reason to continue anyway) and puts it in a label machine. No thanks.

    And I don't take offense at name-calling. I'm secure in my philosophies. If someone wants to put a nametag on me, I'll decide if it's accurate or not, and if it's not, then that's their mistake, and nothing that offends me.

    I will say things like pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-capital punishment, anti-capital punishment, Democrat, Republican, hawkish, doveish (although those two are a bit antiquated now), pro-business, pro-consumer. Even conservative and liberal, if the people self-identify that way (as in, I'd have no problem saying hoss is liberal and DiO is conservative, and duh). Those to me are descriptors, not namecalling.

    And speaking of capital punishment.....

    Here's the problem. If someone has indisputedly done those horrible, inhumane things, I have no great problems with it either. I won't cluck my tongue at the execution, and I won't shed a tear.

    But given the number of people who, thanks to DNA technology that didn't exist back then, have been found innocent after they were sentenced, I cannot condone this last and entirely final consequence unless there's not a shadow of a doubt. We can say "special circumstances," but there have still been a lot of people sentenced to death who didn't do it, "special circumstances" or not.
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