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So what will YOU do?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Todash, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    Everyone, when 45 apologists come into a thread like this, they are looking not to add to the discussion, but to distract. Because they don't want him stopped.

    Do what you will, of course, but I have learned as I've become much more politically active that these arguments function, intentionally or otherwise, as distractions from the goal at hand. I've become rather a fan of the thorough answer plus mic drop, then refocus.
  2. Sundrop

    Sundrop Sunny the Great & Wonderful

    I'm going to do what I always try to do.......and that is, do my best to be a positive influence to those around me.
  3. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    History says otherwise. Obama’s first two years in office the Democrats controlled Congress, both the House and the Senate. He could have gotten so much done but wasted that time on the ACA which was largely disliked by the electorate. In 2010 the GOP took the House but democrats held the Senate until 2014. Perhaps if Obama and democrats didn’t take the attitude, right off the bat, towards the GOP of… we’re in power so just shut up, perhaps there could have been more accomplished.

    I would have preferred if the GOP would have at least put Garland through the wringer, and taken a vote. It will only come back to bite them in the a$$ at a future time when the Democrats pull the same thing.

    Yes, but some of the scope of EO's have become troubling as of late as they create law, which is the job of Congress.

    That's a whole lot of conjecture and partisan preaching, IMO.

    And releasing tax returns isn't a law and has only been a recent thing candidates do. And the IRS will be IRS will scrutinizing his tax returns, for sure.

    Listen, I appreciate and applaud your ideals and passion. And you should follow your heart. But you’ll only be preaching to the choir with that approach. Those of like mind will agree with you, but you will only turn off the ones you need to convince going forward. If your wish is to reach the hearts and minds of those who could put democrats on a winning streak again, I suggest doing something that would persuade democrats in Congress to work with republicans for reform. I think with that demeanor, and that from the democrats who seem to be doubling down on the things that have cost them recent elections, it will only increase the GOP numbers in the house and might even give them a filibuster-proof position in the Senate in the next few elections. I hope I didn't come off too snarky in my post, as it wasn't meant to be.

    And by the way... Glad you are back. :)
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  4. CoriSCapnSkip

    CoriSCapnSkip Well-Known Member

    I'm hoping some right-minded high-profile philanthropist creates a movement we can all join!
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  5. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Andy from Shawshank Redemption.jpg

    Good morning CoriSCapnSkip :snowman:
  6. aussie12

    aussie12 Well-Known Member

    Obviously the American President has too much power and should have to get a majority vote in the parliament before any big new laws. This is why I don't want Australia to become a republic. Maybe the American Government and voting need an overhaul, it looks to easy to get a Dictator as a President.

    Is this why Americans won't give up their guns? Just in case the Government get too much power?
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  7. mymaria

    mymaria Sower of discord

    A factor, among many others.
    Executive orders do get struck down. I believe the green card issue got fixed so it will all work out in the end.
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  8. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    I stumbled across this on Facebook this morning. I liked it so much that I cleaned it up and turned it into a post on my social justice blog. I'm just gonna copy the text and paste it here. (If anyone knows who created this, please let me know so that I can properly attribute.)

    Some pointers going forward:
    1. Don't use his name.
    2. Remember this is a regime and he's not acting alone.
    3. Do not argue with those who support him—it doesn't work.
    4. Focus on his policies, not his orange-ness and small hands.
    5. Keep your message positive; he wants the country to be angry and fearful because this is the soil from which his darkest policies will grow.
    6. No more helpless/hopeless talk.
    7. Support artists and the arts.
    8. Be careful not to spread fake news.
    9. Take care of yourself; and
    10. Resist!
    HOW TO RESIST THE FASCISM THAT WE ARE BEGINNING TO EXPERIENCE (and if you don't think that religious tests for immigrants and citizens are fascist, then you do not know the history of Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, Franco's Spain, and Mussolini's Italy—as well as fascist Saudi Arabia, etc., etc.) ...

    These pointers are actually helpful—people have been looking for something; these are a starting point. Some are strategic, like #1 and #2, some are psychological, like #5 and #6. Don't give in to depression and anxiety. Go to #7 instead.

    "Make Resistance Great Again"
    1. Avoid using his name
    Every time you use his name, you make him stronger. He has developed a cult of personality around himself that thrives on your hatred. He wasn't kidding when he tweeted, "I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th." He really does extend best wishes to you, the hater, because you give him power; you make him seem like something bigger than he really is, and you are the object of hatred that motivates his supporters. You are his Emmanuel Goldstein (1984 reference -- read it if you haven't already).

    2. Spread the blame
    Don't allow moderate Republicans to hide behind ambiguity and equivocation. They are supporting a President who is trying to destroy our democracy, and are therefore members of a regime, not an administration. If you focus all of your attacks on their leader, you are only reinforcing his message that "I alone can fix [our problems.]". In reality, he requires the support of collaborators. Call it what it is: "the regime."

    3. Do not engage the regime's base
    Let's do a thought experiment. Imagine your favorite song; hear the music inside your head. Now imagine someone telling you that the song sucks, and you should never listen to it ever again. How likely are you to be swayed? The regime is music to the ears of its most ardent supporters, and you will never convince them otherwise. Remember when their leader said, "we're going to win so much, you're going to be sick and tired of winning"? That statement was meant to appeal to a base of supporters who feel like they're losers, people who get a high from being associated with a "tremendously successful" billionaire. Now try to imagine how good they must have felt when he won the election. Every time you get mad at them and argue with them, you remind them of how good it felt to win. You motivate them to work harder toward their leader's re-election. If you deny them the pleasure of yelling at you, you will make politics less enjoyable for them, and thus more apathetic about the regime. You will never dislike your favorite song, but you might stop listening to it as much as you once did, and this is the best we can hope for with the regime's base.

    4. Focus on policies, not personality
    Most polls showed the President's favorability rating around 38% on the eve of the election, but 47% ended up voting for him anyway. That means 9% of his voters already think he's an *******, but, nevertheless, an ******* who's going to do a better job than his opponents will. These are the people we need to focus on; if we can convince them that his policies suck just as much as his personality sucks, we are likely to flip their votes. So, stop focusing on the guy's hands. Everyone already knows, and it didn't work during the first time we tried it. Remember Einstein's quote about the definition of insanity.

    5. Keep it positive
    The regime feeds on negativity. The policies they support are born from fear and anger. People filled with love and optimism generally do not support policies that are centered upon walls, torture, and deportation. This is why the leader of the regime didn't tell a single joke during his convention speech. He wants the country to be angry and fearful because this is the soil from which his darkest policies will grow. Keep it positive, and spread love; it's poison to the regime.

    6. Don't spread hopelessness
    Whenever you say "we're screwed," you communicate hopelessness. Saying things like, "I don't understand how this happened" is the same as saying, "I don't know what the solution is and you shouldn't listen to anything I propose because I just don't understand." But, you do have hope; otherwise, you wouldn't have read this far. And, you do have a solution—resistance! It's okay to be down and to seek out other like-minded people for comfort, but try to stay focused on spreading hope and confidence. We got this, okay?

    7. Make resistance cool and fun
    As the country becomes more political, and more polarized, Americans will feel increasingly pressured into choosing a side (sociology happens). We want healthy, positive people to choose the resistance because we ultimately don't want the entire country to end up resembling one of the regime's rallies. Besides, we ARE cool and fun; just look at all the musicians who boycotted the regime's inauguration. The fact that the Resistance is responsible for the generation of almost all of our society's visual and musical culture is one of our strengths; let's maximize it.

    8. Stop spreading fake news
    Sorry everybody, but we do it too. Do you remember when Trump went on Oprah and said, "if I ever run for president, I'll run as a republican because they're stupid enough to vote for me?" That never happened. And, you know how the regime deleted all the information about LGBT rights from the White House website as soon as it came to power? Actually, the regime deleted almost all information from the White House website, which is a common practice for all incoming presidents—Obama did it too. When we spread fake news, we contribute to the confusion many Americans are feeling right now, thus contributing to the problem. The regime doesn't need everyone to believe its lies; it only needs 1/3 to believe the lies, and another 1/3 to be so confused that they don't even know who to trust anymore. Let's show them that they can trust us—educate yourself on the issues, hold other members of the Resistance accountable, fact check information before you post it, and retract anything you post if it is later proven wrong. Reality still exists, and we are the communicators of that reality.

    9. Take care of yourself
    The world will not end if you take a break or have fun doing something that's not explicitly political. But, the world will end if the majority of the Resistance ends up too burned out to fight. Just remember—even when you're sleeping or recreating, you're only recharging yourself for more resistance.

    10. Resist, resist, resist, and don't apologize for it
    Your constant political posts are not annoying; the regime is annoying, and they are the ones who are inciting us to raise our voices.
  9. Todash

    Todash Free spirit. Curly girl. Cookie eater. Proud SJW.

    Thanks. Glad to be back.
  10. fljoe0

    fljoe0 Cantre Member

  11. fushingfeef

    fushingfeef Uber-in-waiting

    Governments and political movements come and go. In the end, the private sector always wins. Often at great cost to human rights, standards of living, the environment, etc. But political constructs always end up eroding or imploding. That's a double edged sword, to be sure, but there's some cold comfort there as well.
  12. mal

    mal Well-Known Member

    I won't do a damn thing differently. People have been claiming it's the end of the world throughout history. If a tree don't fall on me I'll live 'til I die. If I do see a local injustice I will act on it (as I always have in the past). For the rest of the time I try to ignore all of the B.S. and fear-mongering and live, laugh and love (and work for money).
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  13. mymaria

    mymaria Sower of discord

    As much as I disagree with you, there are a lot of good things in the above post and it is probably a good approach.
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  14. mymaria

    mymaria Sower of discord

    This part is particularly good. I think what most people who voted for him hoped, was that he would ignite the economy, and seriously kick some terrorist butt.
    Only if you can make inroads on those issues do you have any hope of swaying Trump voters.
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  15. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    In my hometown a couple days ago, there was a protest march of 2,500 people. So BFD, you might say. Hey, in my town, a march of 2,500 IS a BFD, because our complacent town usually doesn't generate that much excitement except for maybe the Tour de Fat (you have to live here to understand).

    I saw a couple ladies in the march being interviewed. They're in their 70s. They said they had never marched before, never been involved in politics before, but the installation of 45 is a whole new thing that has them energized, and they're going to march every chance they get against the unprecedented monstrosity that is in place (my summation of their words).

    Really, if we were hanging around with this guy, we wouldn't even let him house-sit for us, much less run the country. Because we'd know that he'd be the kind who would come in with a sense of entitlement and lack of responsibility, call his friends over, have a party, trash the place, have no respect for the property and our investment in it, and carry on in other uncivil ways - which is pretty much the correct analogy for what he's doing in the Presidential institution.

    We haven't seen anything like him, and I mean that in no good sense at all. While there are some appointments that I don't have any problems with, he has a white nationalist for his chief strategist, an agenda to discriminate against a religion, an anti-education appointee to run education, an anti-science guy to run energy, and a press secretary and adviser who freely admit to "we may disagree with the facts" and resting on "alternative facts." He lies facilely, spontaneously, and regularly, whether it's false accusations about countries devaluing the currently, how many people were detained at airports, how big a given crowd was, and just general crap that is so easily refuted because of his long history of petulant Twitter rants - which are in themselves evidence of deep-seated instability.

    And the list goes on. And on. And on.

    He will not disclose financial interests that may be a conflict, he will not divest, and his family will grace the government and corporate halls of power. And I'm not saying he or any of his staff is a Russian agent - but I'm saying with his dismantling of intelligence agencies, state agencies, the security council, threats to NATO, and cozying to Russia, we can't tell the difference.

    This is out of the norm of partisanship. I've accepted Presidents, whether I liked them or not, from JFK through Nixon through Reagan through Clinton through Bushes through Obama.

    This guy is wack for the country. Wack. I hope our institutions are strong enough to prevail against the demagoguery and autocratic impulses and goals. But if Congress rolls over like the trained puppy it appears to be, we are in for a very rough time.
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  16. Mr. Cranky

    Mr. Cranky Well-Known Member

    You have to give the man a go because he is your President.
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  17. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    If he comes out of the gate with self-destructive and unConstitutional policies and orders, it becomes incumbent to let protests be known at the gate.
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  18. Mr. Cranky

    Mr. Cranky Well-Known Member

    He was elected on the policies he's enacting. I don't like the profiling angle with regard to immigration but they were doing the same thing under the Obama administration. I think it's good if people voice there opinion but some of it seems like it's just because of the hype around 'The Donald'. If people were so worried about him, why did they elect him? Like I said before, people voted for him because of the economy. Middle America/the rust belt/the blue collar workers, the proleteriat of America got sick of the same old talk from the same type of policitians from both sides who kept saying the free trade is good and globalization is good and America is much better because of NAFTA, and similar treaties, which are not signed on a level playing field. 'The Donald' is handcuffed to some extent by his on party who will not allow him to go too overboard, and his allies have a say in it as well.
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  19. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    He was elected by a minority of the voters. Yes, he won the election. With a minority of the voters (which leads into another of his compulsive, ego-driven lies). It represents a win. It doesn't represent a mandate or general agreement. Heck, if he had won 51% of the vote, it wouldn't be a mandate or general agreement.

    Lest we forget, it's the many of the same people who are saying, "Give him a chance," who did anything but that eight years ago. The quotes out there prove it.
    Much different orders within much different circumstances. The claim "doing what Obama did" is a false comparison.
    That's because 'The Donald' is so repellent and unfit. Partisan? I've never said this thing about another President or Presidential candidate.
    Most of them didn't.
    In an era of improved economy bounce from the Great Recession, he was able to stoke fears of economic decline, xenophobia, and general dissatisfaction with the "status quo," although the "status quo" was far better than 99% of the people living on this rock have ever had it.

    The other problem was that the Democrats pushed forth someone pretty unlikable - although how she could be more unlikable than a serial philanderer, prevarictor, narcissistic blowhard just proves that immortal quote from "Men in Black": "A person is smart. People are dumb."
    I hope you're right. I don't expect you are. "Paul, rub my tummy." "Yes, sir." "Mitch, follow your principles." "I can't find them."
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  20. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    He's not my POTUS. I didn't vote for him. He proved himself (to me) way before he ever considered running for POTUE with how he reacted to the whole Rosie O'Donnel situation. He's going to implode. Mark my words. He's an *sshat. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. You aren't going to agree and that's fine with me. You're entitled to your opinion also.
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