The nature of the deadlights -SPOILERS-

[PanLoki]

Okay. This is a follow-up from the "Entering the circle" thread.

Robert Gray got me thinking and that's never good. Ha-ha.

The nature of the deadlights, a.k.a. It, a.k.a. the Cosmic Spider From Outer Space, a.k.a. Pennywise the dancing clown and other Pick-Your-Own-Nightmare guises turns my head upside down. We have some interpretations so far:

- a metaphor for age.
- a metaphor for memory loss.
- a lovecraftian entity.
- the non-being incarnate.

What do you think?

I would also add a few other possibilities.

- It is in fact Stephen King's nightmarish version of the Fisher King (no pun intended). It is linked to Derry in the same way that the Fisher King is linked to the Wasteland - and in fact Derry is a wasteland, ain't it?

- If IT (the novel) is in fact some kind of ficticious history textbook on New England, It (the entity) would be Stephen King's version of the American dream (a nightmare, really - don't tell me that surprises you!).

- The deadlights is a metaphor for the horror-story-writer's imagination (it is, as Robert Gray puts it, "the source" of evil - but seen from a psychological point of view, not from a mystical one). In the fictional world depicted in the book, which he has partly created, Stephen King (as the Author) brings terrifying demises to his characters. Ergo IT (the book) is in fact a book not about a monstrous creature, but about imagination and its becoming material in the form of a book. It would be the fictional counterpart of On Writing.

- It is in fact a metaphor for aliases. Ha-ha. (I'll let myself out.)

 

[GNTLGNT]

....yipes!...he used the word "ergo" in a proper sentence...wow that's classy....

 

[PanLoki]

....yipes!...he used the word "ergo" in a proper sentence...wow that's classy....

 

[carrie's younger brother]

Hey, who let this here edumacated man on this board???

 

[GNTLGNT]

Hey, who let this here edumacated man on this board???

...I know, right?....him and his big ole box o'fitty scent werds....

 

[Cristian M]

...I know, right?....him and his big ole box o'fitty scent werds....

plz translate to human readable

 

[not_nadine]

We sometimes speak Calla here.. Or anything else SK speak. (if you hadn't read the books)

 

[Cristian M]

Okay. This is a follow-up from the "Entering the circle" thread.

Robert Gray got me thinking and that's never good. Ha-ha.

The nature of the deadlights, a.k.a. It, a.k.a. the Cosmic Spider From Outer Space, a.k.a. Pennywise the dancing clown and other Pick-Your-Own-Nightmare guises turns my head upside down. We have some interpretations so far:

- a metaphor for age.
- a metaphor for memory loss.
- a lovecraftian entity.
- the non-being incarnate.

What do you think?

I would also add a few other possibilities.

- It is in fact Stephen King's nightmarish version of the Fisher King (no pun intended). It is linked to Derry in the same way that the Fisher King is linked to the Wasteland - and in fact Derry is a wasteland, ain't it?

- If IT (the novel) is in fact some kind of ficticious history textbook on New England, It (the entity) would be Stephen King's version of the American dream (a nightmare, really - don't tell me that surprises you!).

- The deadlights is a metaphor for the horror-story-writer's imagination (it is, as Robert Gray puts it, "the source" of evil - but seen from a psychological point of view, not from a mystical one). In the fictional world depicted in the book, which he has partly created, Stephen King (as the Author) brings terrifying demises to his characters. Ergo IT (the book) is in fact a book not about a monstrous creature, but about imagination and its becoming material in the form of a book. It would be the fictional counterpart of On Writing.

- It is in fact a metaphor for aliases. Ha-ha. (I'll let myself out.)

I find the "adventures" in the sewers quite boring. The encounters with the Monster are also dull. The rest of book is captivating and colorful.

 

[Sigmund]

... big ole box o'fitty scent werds....

plz translate to human readable

It is human readable, sir. It's more of a slang/geographical accent/play on spelling.

...big ole' box o'fitty scent werds...

...big old box of fifty cent words...

(fifty cent words can be understood as *big* as opposed to *simple* words.)

I hope that helped.

Peace.

 

[not_nadine]

You said it better than I did , Sig. Thankee

 

[Cristian M]

It is human readable, sir. It's more of a slang/geographical accent/play on spelling.

...big ole' box o'fitty scent werds...

...big old box of fifty cent words...

(fifty cent words can be understood as *big* as opposed to *simple* words.)

I hope that helped.

Peace.

Thanks. I like to learn new things about slang and dialects. The only part I wasn't sure what it means was "scent werds". It's that how ppl talk in Maine ?

 

[Cristian M]

Okay. This is a follow-up from the "Entering the circle" thread.

Robert Gray got me thinking and that's never good. Ha-ha.

The nature of the deadlights, a.k.a. It, a.k.a. the Cosmic Spider From Outer Space, a.k.a. Pennywise the dancing clown and other Pick-Your-Own-Nightmare guises turns my head upside down. We have some interpretations so far:

- a metaphor for age.
- a metaphor for memory loss.
- a lovecraftian entity.
- the non-being incarnate.

What do you think?

I would also add a few other possibilities.

- It is in fact Stephen King's nightmarish version of the Fisher King (no pun intended). It is linked to Derry in the same way that the Fisher King is linked to the Wasteland - and in fact Derry is a wasteland, ain't it?

- If IT (the novel) is in fact some kind of ficticious history textbook on New England, It (the entity) would be Stephen King's version of the American dream (a nightmare, really - don't tell me that surprises you!).

- The deadlights is a metaphor for the horror-story-writer's imagination (it is, as Robert Gray puts it, "the source" of evil - but seen from a psychological point of view, not from a mystical one). In the fictional world depicted in the book, which he has partly created, Stephen King (as the Author) brings terrifying demises to his characters. Ergo IT (the book) is in fact a book not about a monstrous creature, but about imagination and its becoming material in the form of a book. It would be the fictional counterpart of On Writing.

- It is in fact a metaphor for aliases. Ha-ha. (I'll let myself out.)

In King's words : deadlights are what you encounter when you get back home at midnight (possibly drunk).

 

[not_nadine]

Thanks. I like to learn new things about slang and dialects. The only part I wasn't sure what it means was "scent werds". It's that how ppl talk in Maine ?

 

[GNTLGNT]

plz translate to human readable

...it is human readable if your from my part of the world...simply put, I was joshing about a fancy turn of phrase used earlier in the Thread...

 

[GNTLGNT]

Thanks. I like to learn new things about slang and dialects. The only part I wasn't sure what it means was "scent werds". It's that how ppl talk in Maine ?

...not at all, I was merely amusing myself with goofy misspellings...

 

[Grillo]

I think the Deadlights are very Lovecraftian, like a glimpse into the Prim, or something so incomprehensible to our brains that it overwhelms us.

Take note that the Crimson King is also able to use the Deadlights, however you want to interpret that. It's clear that they are separate entities, but I'm not entirely sure on the relationship.

 

[Neesy]

....yipes!...he used the word "ergo" in a proper sentence...wow that's classy....

Hey, who let this here edumacated man on this board???

The first time I heard the word 'ergo' I was transcribing something for the director of our section at NDHQ - I said it out loud and started commenting on it. He overheard and said "are you making jest of my dictating?" - good thing he was kidding.

I always thought it sounded like a dog - you know "Here Ergo! Come Ergo! Good dog!"

 

[Robert Gray]

Okay. This is a follow-up from the "Entering the circle" thread. Robert Gray got me thinking and that's never good. Ha-ha.

It was nice of you to give me credit, but it was undeserved. It is clear you don't need help from anyone to cast your mind across the void. I'm glad you followed up because it is an interesting topic.

The nature of the deadlights, a.k.a. It, a.k.a. the Cosmic Spider From Outer Space, a.k.a. Pennywise the dancing clown and other Pick-Your-Own-Nightmare guises turns my head upside down. We have some interpretations so far:

- a metaphor for age.
- a metaphor for memory loss.
- a lovecraftian entity.
- the non-being incarnate.

I think rather than non-being, I think "the unmaking" incarnate might be closer to the mark. It is always easier to destroy than to create, and hence why an embodied cosmic entity of destruction would still be chump change compared to the Turtle who represented creation and the Other who created the Turtle.

It is in fact Stephen King's nightmarish version of the Fisher King (no pun intended). It is linked to Derry in the same way that the Fisher King is linked to the Wasteland - and in fact Derry is a wasteland, ain't it?

This is very literary. I'll have to think about this one for a bit.

If IT (the novel) is in fact some kind of ficticious history textbook on New England, It (the entity) would be Stephen King's version of the American dream (a nightmare, really - don't tell me that surprises you!).

I think it is more of a fictional history of Bangor (or rather an alternate universe Bangor) rather than all of New England. While the language of it as the American Nightmare has a certain appeal, I don't think that was really by design. The book appears to be more a coming of age story combined with finding one's youth again. The American Dream (and hence the Nightmare) would focus on different aspects than those within the novel.

The deadlights is a metaphor for the horror-story-writer's imagination (it is, as Robert Gray puts it, "the source" of evil - but seen from a psychological point of view, not from a mystical one). In the fictional world depicted in the book, which he has partly created, Stephen King (as the Author) brings terrifying demises to his characters. Ergo IT (the book) is in fact a book not about a monstrous creature, but about imagination and its becoming material in the form of a book. It would be the fictional counterpart of On Writing.

This is an interesting dissection as well, and it also require some thought before I respond in any meaningful way. I think you could certainly use these metaphors, but I suspect that the Deadlights represent "outside evil" rather than that found within us (or even from the author himself). The monster was shown to be from outside of everything. It did not belong. In effect, Mr. King embodied the very notion of "outside evil" in its own Avatar. He talks about "inside evil" and "outside evil" at length in Danse Macabre. Thus, for this idea to fly Mr. King would have to consider himself and his imagination as somehow wrong or opposed to everything else. I don't get that impression.

 

[Cristian M]

It was nice of you to give me credit, but it was undeserved. It is clear you don't need help from anyone to cast your mind across the void. I'm glad you followed up because it is an interesting topic.



I think rather than non-being, I think "the unmaking" incarnate might be closer to the mark. It is always easier to destroy than to create, and hence why an embodied cosmic entity of destruction would still be chump change compared to the Turtle who represented creation and the Other who created the Turtle.



This is very literary. I'll have to think about this one for a bit.



I think it is more of a fictional history of Bangor (or rather an alternate universe Bangor) rather than all of New England. While the language of it as the American Nightmare has a certain appeal, I don't think that was really by design. The book appears to be more a coming of age story combined with finding one's youth again. The American Dream (and hence the Nightmare) would focus on different aspects than those within the novel.



This is an interesting dissection as well, and it also require some thought before I respond in any meaningful way. I think you could certainly use these metaphors, but I suspect that the Deadlights represent "outside evil" rather than that found within us (or even from the author himself). The monster was shown to be from outside of everything. It did not belong. In effect, Mr. King embodied the very notion of "outside evil" in its own Avatar. He talks about "inside evil" and "outside evil" at length in Danse Macabre. Thus, for this idea to fly Mr. King would have to consider himself and his imagination as somehow wrong or opposed to everything else. I don't get that impression.

At some point in the book , Richard Tozier (the adult) jokingly says: the deadlights are what you find when you return home at midnight. Regarding the American Dream , I think we can say it ended when JFK was killed and it was immediately followed by the American Nightmare , which inevitably led to (by way of military-industrial complex) and culminated in 9-11.

 

[Mr. Gray Robert]

I think the Deadlights are very Lovecraftian, like a glimpse into the Prim, or something so incomprehensible to our brains that it overwhelms us.

Take note that the Crimson King is also able to use the Deadlights, however you want to interpret that. It's clear that they are separate entities, but I'm not entirely sure on the relationship.

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Well IT is female so maybe the Crimson King is her "baby daddy"?

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DT

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He passed on spider traits to Mordred so maybe?