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The war on religion

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Shasta, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    I wonder if it's only a portion of our property then? Maybe it's the part that is currently the ball field, but has no property on it. It is less than my property tax and the church is way bigger than my house.
  2. Sundrop

    Sundrop Sunny the Great & Wonderful

    That may be it.....the property that our church pays tax on is just vacant land. We purchased it with the intentions of expanding, but local codes have prevented that
  3. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    So someone who makes 75 million a year should pay the same tax as someone who makes $40,000?
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  4. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    In my discussions, the flat tax refers to a flat percentage. So if it's 10%, the $75 million earner would pay $7.5 million. The $40,000 earner would pay $4,000.

    I think to do this, you need to eliminate all deductions. Flat percent of personal income. Tax return is on a postcard.

    I read of Jerry Brown suggesting this during his first term in office, way back when.
  5. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Okay - I get it now - I did not know what 'flat tax' meant! :a24:
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  6. Kurben

    Kurben The Fool on the Hill

    Personally i don't care what religion a person has or hasn't. I like religion, as a subject, because it makes me understand some people better and to understand a culture or society at any time you has to get a grip on its motivations and religion often play a vital part there. Since i'm interested in history i found that i must be interested in religion too. So i have read a lot of the books. The Bible, (which i got as a christmas present from my father with his comment inside "it is important to know it but be ware in believing it), The Koran, some jewish scripture, the Apocrypha to both the old and the new testament. Some, but far from all, of the books in the Hinduism and buddhist faiths. and some others. You see parrallells that are interesting. So i have become a person "that knew them all believed in none" as Claire in the Outlander said when she described her uncle. I think everyone should let everyone else believe what they like. It is a very personal thing, faith. What irritates are persons who in the evenings or on weekends rings the bell on your apartment and tries to persuade you to believe. I dont have problems with people who want to spread the good word but they should do it in the market place or places like that, like Jesus did, not in the privacy of ones home.
  7. Dr. Fudd

    Dr. Fudd Bored Taster

    Jesus went to a lot of peoples homes, was invited to their homes, invited Himself to their homes, met them on the street, where they worked, there's verses that show all of these things happening. The reason Christians go door to door is similar to firemen. If the house is on fire, they run in to rescue the inhabitants. The only difference with spreading the gospel is, you have to knock on the door first to find out if there's a threat of eternal fire inside.
  8. Kurben

    Kurben The Fool on the Hill

    Yes but he was as you say invited or they were earlier friends of his. And as i also said i have no problems with them doing it in public places like market places or streets for that matter. And i must say i think the firemen likeness is very weak. They come to ones house if there are signs of fire, like smoke or something. What signs of "eternal fire" has they seen at my house? Real firemen don't disturb you when you cuddled up inside your cozy bed a friday evening reading a good book. No signs of any kinds of fire anywhere, eternal or otherwise. I sure hasn't invited them.
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  9. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    Ha ha ha ha hahahaha!

    Excuse me, sir, but we're going door-to-door at dinner time, just to make sure nothing's on fire that we can put out.

    HA haha HA!!!
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  10. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Well, whether I have a spark of faith, or none at all, or faith in something completely else, is my own business. When the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons or Republicans or Democrats or Moonies (wait - that used to be airports) or Amway dealers come knocking on the basis of their higher cause, it's just buttonholing me under different guises. They're not going to get much look at any of my internal flames other than my dog barking up a fuss and a polite "No, thank you" from me.
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  11. Haunted

    Haunted This is my favorite place

  12. Dr. Fudd

    Dr. Fudd Bored Taster

    I said he was invited, and that he invited Himself. There's mention of about every conceivable interaction in evangelism in the bible. Not to mention the text of the bible itself. In Mark 16:15 it says, "And he(Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." We're called to go wherever there are people. I've never experienced your problem with Christians knocking on the door, at any time of the day. I've never had a Christian knock on my door, only Jehovahs witnesses and Mormons. I look forward to the day a Christian knocks on my door. Christians are called to knock on your door, but they largely don't, which is endemic of the church today. They're called by Jesus's example in Rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
    I think you miss my point about firemen. I said contrary to firemen, you can't tell if there's eternal fire in someones home until AFTER you knock on the door and see if the person inside believes in Jesus and is saved or not.
  13. Kurben

    Kurben The Fool on the Hill

    Yes he said preach to them, not to try to slither like a snake into ones home. I just like to be left alone doing what i like doing. And they cant take no for an answer. Either they are not very decent or not very smart or they would not go back to a well that they know is dry. And by the way i consider Jehovahs witness like christians. There are a lot of different notions of christianity. They believe in Jesus like a lot of other groupings. Not that i am fond of them. OK someone rings the bell, i say no, can't they just let me go to hell in peace. Not that i believe in either hell, heaven or souls. I just can't stand nagging. Them saying the same words over and over again. I'm not a shouting type of person. Always try to be polite but sometimes i wish i could just scream "Get away" at them. Propably should feel better. Ah, thats life.
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  14. Haunted

    Haunted This is my favorite place

  15. Dr. Fudd

    Dr. Fudd Bored Taster

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  16. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    What he's talking about does not require religion in order to be followed. People could and should treat each other in that way regardless.
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  17. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    I spent some time in Japan, and back here, we hosted a Japanese foreign exchange student. Now, there's problems in Japanese society, just like there are problems in any society, but it does work.

    I was asking our foreign exchange student (which isn't really a fair description - she was our daughter for a year, and she called us Mom and Dad) about religion in Japan, because religion interests me. Finally, after having some conceptual difficulties, she said, "We're just not really that interested in religion." Sure, they have a lot of Buddhism, a lot of Shinto, and some other minor religious influences there, but it's more formulaic than dogmatic, and it doesn't provide any kind of political framework.

    We don't need religion or theism to be a moral society, although there's no doubt that having either a happy or miserable afterlife can be an effective motivator for some.
  18. EMTP513

    EMTP513 Well-Known Member

    My friend is a Civil Rights attorney and worked for ACLU. Asking someone to put a cross on a county seal is unconstitutional, because it limits an entire community to only one religion and fails to recognize people who practice other religions.
    They never get done doing these cases. They also never get done being whined at by evangelical Christians saying how "unfair" they're being to challenge these laws.
    First of all, challenging ANY law is NOT unfair. It's what people in law practice do. Also, they're right when they say that not everyone in the country is Christian.
    The constitutional right it violates is the First Amendment.
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  19. Shasta

    Shasta On his shell he holds the earth.

    That's ridiculous.

    It's history. I find it crazy that my state was settled by religion (and gold rushers!) and now we have to pretend like that never happened? Insane.

    I'm not religious. I despise religion. But having a cross on a building in a seal in no way makes it seem like I am religious, nor does it degrade my rights.
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  20. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

    Or you just need a General Douglas MacArthur to steer you in the right direction. ;)
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