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Discussion in 'Other Hot Topics' started by Haunted, May 19, 2014.

  1. Haunted

    Haunted This is my favorite place

  2. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    nothing anyone who has served is not familiar with...hurry up and wait. still a crying damn shame. been to the one in Gainesville...lying nakkid under a sheet on a table...heh! guy comes in and gives my prostrate the once over. dungeon like op-room, or that's how it seemed at the time...low-level lighting...basement area. that oR i WAS hallucinating.

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...may they suffer shame eternal for this monstrous disregard of our veterans....
  4. DiO'Bolic

    DiO'Bolic Not completely obtuse

  5. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    Someone needs to separate the wheat from the chaff.

  6. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    Clearly there needs to be a major shake-up in the Dept. of Veterans Affairs. They've done a terrible job in their treatment of veterans and how their agency is run. I don't understand how in this day and age they can still be so woefully behind in having their records added to their data base--a separate issue but another indication that the agency is not being run efficiently. And to not be properly treating veterans' medical issues is unconscionable. How about hiring some of those veterans who are out of work to help out with the backlog of data entry which would help them get the services they need in a more timely manner? I can't imagine they couldn't figure out a way to do that even from the various states' veterans offices so that they could be in the area they live in or to train them for the job if they don't have the skills already. According to Reuters, the cost of one F-35 fighter jet ordered by the Air Force is $119 million; the Marine Corps B model is $153 million; the Navy's C model is $139 million. Surely each branch could do without at least one of those to offset funding for personnel if they can't find a way within the Dept. of Veterans Affairs' current budget. And that's just the planes (some of them) the Defense Dept. has on order and I've only listed the cost for a single one, not their total contract amount. I find it hard to believe they couldn't find some way to come up with the money from existing budgets.
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  7. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member



    I trust both. Because they have nice teeth.
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  8. Moderator

    Moderator Ms. Mod Administrator

    Excerpt from National Journal:

    ...., the sheen of shame over the VA's failures spreads across time and party affiliation. It stains the legacies of presidents as far back as John F. Kennedy (emphasis added) and condemns past Congresses whose poor oversight allowed the problem to fester. The VA itself is also not without fault, as bureaucracy and intransigence let the department deteriorate to the point the problem became nearly impossible to fix.

    So who really broke the VA? In sum, it's a failure with many silent fathers.


    Which makes this situation even more frustrating. They've had more than 50 years to fix the problems and still haven't.
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  9. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    No war, no veterans.

    Nuke war, no people.

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...and meanwhile "The Greatest Generation" has slowly withered away, the "forgotten" heroes of Korea are still out in the cold, the 'Nam haunts countless "boys of 19" and I dread to think of the countless and poorly treated amongst the Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operation....they are so much offal from "the sandbox" to the VA...
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  11. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Interesting how it's shaping up. Democrats who see campaign vulnerabilities are calling for Shinseki's resignation. On the other hand, Speaker Boehner, not enamored with chewing on a retired four-star general, is more measured in his response.

    I think Shinseki will roll himself under the bus to keep from being a political liability for Obama. I'm not saying anything bad or mean by that. That's what good soldiers do.
  12. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    The one thing we know about government and its bureaucracies is that they exist to seek out problems, problems that justify more funding.
    With the travesty that has happened in the VA hospitals we have an example of socialized medicine and where are all the members from foreign countries who can't understand how the United States doesn't provide health care for all. Why? Because they, the government doesn't give a sh!t, is why. If money was a problem, ever, especially if it is politically expedient to raise a ruckus, a ruckus is raised. The government can spend some ungodly amount of money to pay a contractor, without benefit of calling for bids, to round up trespassing cattle. But the same government has secret waiting lists for care in VA hospitals. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others...like perhaps the wolves around here, each and every one collared and tracked and if a beacon stops beaconing a team is dispatched to pick up the dead wolf and examine its carcass to determine cause of death. Not so the men and women who served this country.
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  13. Dana Jean

    Dana Jean Dirty Pirate Hooker Moderator

    I worked in a VA during an internship 30 years ago. I hated it and I found the care THEN appalling.
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  14. guido tkp

    guido tkp Well-Known Member

    the budget for this is controlled by congress..this problem exists today because of tax cuts which leads to budget cuts: we are attempting to operate a 21st century govt on a 1950 budget...

    as for those who wish to whine about 'secret waiting lists'...i got news for you...try almost any doctor, tell him/her you need to see them right away...most times...you're now on a waiting list

    could we do better ?

    sure, but, hey...we've been talking about this then upcoming problem since back in the bush days...
    alot of smart peeps made alot of blather that we'd need to do more what with two wars...and a very much aging vet population: none of this is 'new'

    instead of dealing with these issues intelligently and properly...what we've increasingly seen is alot of america sending too many politicians up to specifically do nothing but shut govt down !!

    so...let's all get the heck over our bad selves: if we send too many peeps whose only ideology is to cut taxes and close govt services...that is what you tend to get get

    you cannot run a car that gets 40 miles to the gallon 200 miles if you only put in 2 gallons...then ethically argue that, because said car can't make it the 200 miles, that it is the manufacturers fault: you set the limit, you deal with the walk !

    ...then there is the obfuscatingly dull argument about how we could spend our $$ better...

    again...that goes directly to whom we've all elected: i've got news for you folks...chances are, you're pol is very possibly as much at fault as the other guys...true story !!

    have you voted against your party lately precisely over such serious issues as this...i do almost every time: right now, my party is not interested in doing the right thing by any vets: it's simply not profitable enough for them !!

    this 'problem' is 100% a 'reap what you sow" moment...rather than bleat on and point fingers at everyone else...we need to deal with it honestly
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  15. Tery

    Tery Dreaming in Middletown Moderator

    Exactly right, guido!

    It's been like this for decades, trying to blame it on Obama or Bush or even Clinton is disingenuous. At least once during every president's term, the problems with the VA are revealed, the pols tut-tut, maybe fire a few people, someone resigns, a few million dollars are tossed at it (it's going to take more than that) and then the next shiny object comes along for the 24/7 news cycle.

    I'm with Ms. Mod: how in the hell is the VA not digitized by now? We've had computers for 30 years, for practical purposes. If the VA had got its ducks in a row back when all the other departments were digitizing, maybe we wouldn't have these problems. I like her idea of hiring vets to do the work. It's a simple and elegant plan. I suggest we all undertake to send emails or call our Congress Critters. Let them know how we feel and suggest this idea.

    Leaving our veterans waiting is unacceptable. So is leaving them unemployed or homeless. There have been a few bills put forward to deal with these last two problems in the past few months. Guess who scuttled them? And guess who wants to privatize the VA? I'm pretty sure you can guess. While allowing vets to go to non-VA doctors/clinics is a great idea, privatizing the VA is not. That's how the corporations want it to go, though, since they've done so well off of prisons (by making human beings a commodity). Do we really want them making bucks off of our vets? Hell, no!

    So let Congress know that we won't tolerate business as usual on this. Enough.
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  16. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    A lot of it has to do with funding. Blame our stinking, backroom dealing, do nothing that doesn't get me back in office congress. Most VA providers are doing the best they can with the comparative pittance they're allotted. It's a horrorshow.
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  17. Grandpa

    Grandpa Well-Known Member

    Well, for all the fuss about this issue, which certainly deserves, a fuss, the VA system nevertheless scores high on patient satisfaction, with marks equal to or better than those on private care.

    So when I hear people saying, "You want these government clowns running our health system?" I say, "Apparently for all their faults, they're keeping people just as happy on a much tighter budget. Maybe we need more of that."
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  18. guido tkp

    guido tkp Well-Known Member

    ..well, that is the other side GP...the one the (currently) savaging Pols don't want publicized too much...

    'frinstance...our local unit is regularily praised by most who actually use it...

    but, hey !! just found out !!

    they gots'em a 'secret list', too !!!

    this is, as usual, mostly a politically driven, pre-election year issue...

    no matter what we may think/want/wish...one cannot, from nowhere, 'build' a competent new computer system without funding, whether you're the VA...or you at your house, right ?

    all this sort of thing takes income...income in govt is thru taxes...how can a govt do something new, even if needed, if you only ever cut taxes...

    this is all, in the end, completely controlled by congress...

    ...please, don't blame the other guy first: have you any idea where exactly your congressman has voted and/or fought for on just this issue each and every time ??
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